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Japanese drawing of Hội An in 17th century

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Doraemon
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Hội An

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@MrC; I'm sure the men in blue and green robe kneeling on the patio is Japanese because of his style but I'm not sure whether other people are Vietnamese or Japanese. Can you show me Japanese costumes during this period? 

I'm suspecting the women in the painting above are Vietnamese since they dress in clothing similar to Vietnamese in the 17th and 18th century, they also let their hair down, matching description of Vietnamese women hairstyle in that period. But I remember that Japanese women also let their down in the past. Which period was that?

Did all Japanese men shave their heads? Can we say that the ones with shaved heads are Japanese and the men without shaved heads are Vietnamese?
@Nan;

This is from the same painting. There are more stereotypical Japanese-looking figures in this painting. Some of them even wear hats like Korean

The entire painting portrays the journey of the merchant Chaya Shinroku from Japan to Central Vietnam. The painting is very long. I don't know if this particular section is a scene at Japanese port or at Vietnamese port.

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Maybe he was a merchant and a retainer of some noble title at the same time. 

What about the second painting? Why do some men in that section wear Korean-like hats? Did Vietnamese or Japanese have that type of hat?

I google Kiyomori costume
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...00.Ma_JDqdNZek

They let their hair down and they wear nhu quần just like Vietnamese in that era

are these accurate?

Kiyomori paintings
https://www.google.com/search?q=kata...nting&imgdii=_

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Maybe he was a merchant and a retainer of some noble title at the same time. 

What about the second painting? Why do some men in that section wear Korean-like hats? Did Vietnamese or Japanese have that type of hat?

I google Kiyomori costume
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...00.Ma_JDqdNZek

They let their hair down and they wear nhu quần just like Vietnamese in that era

are these accurate?

Kiyomori paintings
https://www.google.com/search?q=kata...nting&imgdii=_

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I notice that Vietnamese tend to carry their weapons on shoulders while Japanese tend to hang them at their waists. 

So can we say that in the painting the ones carrying their swords on shoulders are Vietnamese and the ones with swords hanging beside their waist are Japanese? It's consistent with the hair and costumes too.

On the far right, man in orange robe would be Japanese (shaved head, sword hanging by waist), the man in purple and gray robe would be Vietnamese (unshaved head, sword on shoulder).

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Okay!!! So we successfully decoded the first picture. Now apply what we learned to the second picture. 

We see that there are more Japanese figures in the second picture. Shaved heads and swords carried on the side. It can be concluded that the second picture depicts a Japanese quarter.

But there is no guarantee that the place is a Vietnamese port, it could be a Japanese port, and the men wearing Korean-like hats would be Korean merchants in Japan.

Another picture

Same assumptions?
It's interesting to see Vietnamese and Japanese in the same picture so you can guess which ones are Vietnamese and which ones are Japane

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