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Vietnam's successful birth policy

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As you probably know, Vietnam followed a similar population policy to China’s draconian one. But this is where the similarities end.

In 1980, China rolled out its one-child policy and began its three and a half decade reign of terror over its citizens’ reproductive lives. Vietnam followed suit in 1988 when the Party began to implement a detailed two-child policy. This in contrast to previous half-hearted attempts at population control and, it can be said, with direct references to the Chinese policy. Fines, forced sterilisations and abortions as well as administrative punishments for party members were all borrowed from the experience of the northern neighbor.

However, Vietnam never managed to achieve China’s “success” owing to a variety of factors. Perhaps the most obvious difference is that a two-child policy is still more humane than a one-child regime since it grants a sibling to the firstborn. Also, Vietnamese officials never had the power and organizational capability to implement the policy with zeal, especially in the rural areas, where party and government reach is weak. Compare this to the CCP, where the Party has managed to stretch its influence into every village, and had ruthless enforcers of the policy patrolling every household.

Moreover, Vietnam’s policies were always far more flexible than the Chinese ones. In 1993, many of the actual fines and punishments for ordinary folks violating the birth policy were relaxed. Between 2003 and 2008, thanks to a Constitutional amendment which mentioned the granting of reproductive freedoms, ordinary non-Party member Vietnamese people enjoyed de facto reproductive liberty. Birth quotas were in practice only applied for Communist Party members, many of whom resented the limit themselves and found ways around it.

In 2009, in what can only be called an error in judgement, the Vietnamese decided to enforce the implementation of the two-child policy after concerns that a birth rate bump was increasing the “population burden”. Yet in practice it remained filled with loopholes, particularly as the Vietnamese Communists became aware of the threat of an ageing population and demographic winter far sooner than the Chinese. By the time the Chinese moved to a two-child policy in 2015, the Vietnamese were already thinking of scrapping limits altogether.

The turning point for Vietnam was probably in October 2017, when Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong issued Resolution 21, following the 6thPlenary Session of the 12thCentral Committee of the Vietnamese Communist Party (yep, it’s a mouthful of a name for a meeting). Resolution 21 practically ended the two-child policy. Couples (including Party members) would not be punished or fined for having a third child and above, and low birth rate areas such as Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) would now actively encourage couples to have at least two children.

Vietnam’s TFR dropped to around 6 in the 1960s, to 1.99 in 2011, but, partly thanks to friendlier birth policies it bounced back somewhat to the near-replacement 2.09 in 2016 and was 2.05 in 2018. This, mind you, is the Confucian world/Sinosphere’s best birth rate report card. Every other nation from South Korea’s 0.98 to Taiwan’s 1.1 to North Korea’s 1.89 all fall shy of Vietnam’s fertility.

Chart and table of the Vietnam fertility rate from 1950 to 2020. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

The current fertility rate for Vietnam in 2020 is 2.041births per woman, a 0.39% declinefrom 2019.

The fertility rate for Vietnam in 2019 was 2.049births per woman, a 0.34% declinefrom 2018.

The fertility rate for Vietnam in 2018 was 2.056births per woman, a 0.93% increasefrom 2017.

The fertility rate for Vietnam in 2017 was 2.037births per woman, a 0.94% increasefrom 2016.

Sources:

. https://mercatornet.com/is-vietnam-l...istakes/46424/

. https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...fertility-rate

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Because the majority of Vietnamese live in rural areas. Our society is still quite conservative (men being the provider while women being the caretaker). My father is 8th child of his parents and my mother is the 7th child of her parents. When both husband and wife choose to or have to work, they simply dont have time to look after multiple children.

 

Having low fertility rate is not the problem of Confucianism. Its the problem of capitalism. Women are valued for their labour but not for being a mother. In a conservative society, women would choose to raise a big family but in a materialistic/capitalistic society, women would choose career & individual freedom over children.

This here is not out of the ordinary for Vietnamese who live in rural areas

(well having 8 daughters is definately out of the ordinary when it should be a mix of boys and girls. Nevertheless a couple raising up 7-8 children is normal in pre-industrialized pre-mass urbanized societies)

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@dadadas from my understanding, Vietnam never had a real enforcement of the 2-childbirth policy and now Vietnam is trying to counter the aging population. 

 2-4 kids are enough to maintain the population. the problem with capitalism is women are having babies in their late 30's and early 40's

 

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@zexsypmp23 it's not really enforced but you do get benefits from it, like some tax exemptions, lesser school fee, lesser medical fee, etc... Btw, the 2 child policy only applies to urban vietnamese and kinh. Ethnic minorities like hmong tai cham montagnards can birth out 20 kids. Following the PRC's footsteps of self cuckholding.

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Another consequence of China's one child policy (other than the mass abortion of female babies) is the mass killing of the elderly, the disabled, etc... Because the reasoning for 1 child policy is that there is not enough food & resources for everyone so Chinese must save all the resources for the younger generations. I heard horrible stories where Chinese took their elderly parents to a bridge and pushed them off it to drown their elderly parents in the 1st few years of the 1 child policy.

When you know China for what it is, you will vehemently oppose China like i do. Chinese are no friend of anyone, they dont invest in any nation, they are just waiting for the day that they could "push you off a bridge".

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South Korea having the lowest birth rate itw is due to their women not wanting to marry rural and/or low income Korean men. When marriages are so driven by financial reasons, there will be simply less marriages. Less marriages mean less kids.

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Vietnam is going to have a korean birthrate soon. Capitalism and materialism has added more financial buffers and barriers. People envy money and the capitalist "success" and follow and compete. This is especially true in rhe urban and metropolitan areas (cities) and is now ingrained into vietnamese society. 

Meanwhile an ethnic minority (hmong) in rural highland vietnam getting preggo at 15 and again at 16 years old, and more to come. They are just living for the sake of living as per their ancestors, unlike the typical vietnamese that has become hedonistic. 

Vietnamese abort female babies for preference of males but in the rural north, the backes prefer daughters. in rural north, a lot of vietnamese families send their daughters to matchmakers to marry foreigners like chinese and korean farmers in hopes that they send remittance money back. I can underststand korean but rural chinese are just as poor if not poorer than rural vietnamese. Rural vietnamese are fucked except for some ethnic minorities cause they birth out 5 - 8 kids. 

 

 

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