Filipina/Guamanian Gedmatch results. Rather atypical. Their Caucasoid is mostly Indian-related not Spanish

@prau123

Only SE Asians who have South Asian ancestry which also means they have Caucasoid admixture are partially descended from them.

Most Filipinos, Vietnamese, Laotians, isolated tribal groups, Negritos are not partially related or descended from these Caucasoid groups as they have very little to no South Asian admixture. 

These Caucasoids that I posted are not West Asians but South-Central Asians (an area that refers to modern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, parts of Pakistan). They are one of closest modern day group to Iranian Neolithic Farmers who are one of the Caucasoid ancestors of Indians and other South Asians. Despite their name, they are very different genetically from modern day Iranians who have very heavy Anatolian Neolithic (a component that peaks in South Europeans like Sardinians), Caucasus Hunter Gatherer (a caucasoid population that peaks in modern day Georgians of the Caucasus) and Levantine Neolithic-shifted (mostly found in modern day Middle Easterners). Iranian Neolithic Farmers don't have the Anatolian Neolithic, Caucasus Hunter Gatherer and Levantine Neolithic that modern Iranians have. 

They are only partially related to SE Asians who have South Asian admixture who made up the majority of the region. The reason they related is because that these SE Asians received gene flow from modern Indians, who along with other South Asians like Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, Sri Lankans, etc. are a mixture of these Caucasoids and Ancient Ancestral South Indians/AASI , who are a local indigenous East Eurasian group, who are genetically distantly related to Australoids. Ancient Ancestral South Indians probably resemble Australoids and Veddoids phenotypically. 

SE Asians also have Ancient Ancestral South Indians/AASI along with Caucasoid admixture from Indian ancestry.

AASI component peaks in Paniyas, a Dravidian speaking Veddoid tribal group from South India. AASI would very likely resemble Paniyas and other Veddoids in appearance:

@prau123

I know it can be hard to believe in the first place, but its the same case for other "mixed" groups in the world. 

A lot of South Asians have ancestry from Steppe peoples who phenotypically look like modern day Europeans but with tanner skin and darker hair and in turn South Asians also contribute this Steppe ancestry to SE Asians who they mixed with. So South Asians have two strain of Caucasoid admixture in them that is Iranian Neolithic Farmers who would have look like the individuals that I have earlier posted and Steppe peoples who look almost like modern day White people or Europeans. 

Or if you look at a lot of modern day Middle Easterners and North Africans, you would think they look very Caucasoid and would have a hard time believing they are partially related to Negroids due to their African admixture. A lot maybe even most Middle Easterners have some Nilotic type Sub Saharan ancestry (similar to the South Sudanese like the Dinka) which they received from their ancestors during ancient times and later West African/Bantu admixture that comes during the slave trade.

It's the same case for a lot of Central Asians like the Kazakh or Kyrgyz. A lot of them look like pure Northern Mongoloids like NE Asians or Siberians and you would have a really hard time believing that they are descended from Caucasoids who look like modern day Europeans just going by their phenotypes. In fact, you probably think Filipinos and other SE Asians are more Caucasoid admixed than these guys just from judging their phenotypes alone. But by their DNA, they are much more Caucasoid admixed than SE Asians. Kazakhs are around 35-40% Caucasoid while Kyrgyz are around 30-35% Caucasoid on average with their Western ancestry being primarily from Steppe peoples/Indo-Europeans like Scythians or Aryans. I know a Kazakh guy from Russia on another forum who look 100% Mongoloid like he could be Mongolian or Northern Chinese, he did DNA tests including Gedmatch and to the shock of several users, he was genetically 62% Mongoloid and 38% Caucasoid! He was close to being a Hapa genetically!

An analogy for South Asian admixture in most SE Asians can be made with the Cushitic (related to Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans) admixture in a lot of East Africans. Its the same case with a lot of East Africans from Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, etc., a lot of them are partially descended from Levantine Neolithic Farmers who could have look like modern day Semitic Middle Easterners especially Bedouins, Saudi Arabians, Yemenis and other brown skin Arabs. But if you look at many of them, you might have a hard time believing that they are partially related to Arabs. 

This is because that they received Cushitic admixture from Horn Africans similar to modern Somalians, Ethiopians and other pastoralists who are a mix between Levantine Neolithic, a Caucasoid group who is genetically closest to modern day Arabs and a Negroid type called Nilotes/Nilo-Saharans who look like modern day South Sudanese tribes, who have literal black skin, with very tall and lean body. 

@qamzardaan

I am actually not familiar with these ethnic groups in these regions as I mistaken them as West Asians when they are considered South-Central Asians.  You seem to know quite a bit here and I'm thankful for you for posting them. As mentioned by you that the Iranian Neolithic farmers are not genetically related to Modern day Iranians who are largely Anatolian Neolithic, Caucasus Hunter and Gatherer and Levantine Neolithic.  Yet some of these ancient groups such as these ancient farmers went their separate ways from the Fertile Crescent. Some Anatolians went to Europe while some Levant went to East Africa or the Zagros farmers went north to the Eurasian Steppes or eastward to South Asia.  These farmers introduced barley and wheat to Europe, South Asia and East Africa even though they were also considered cattle and goat herders that introduced these live stocks. 

AASI appeared like the Paniyas group and several Veddoids which suggest that dark skin and features found in SE Asians would have derived from them.  The dark skin could have also been an adaptation to the hot humid climate and environment found throughout SE Asia.

@qamzardaan

North Africans such as Moroccans and Algerians who are predominantly Saharan-Arabian have a substantial amount of Sub-Saharan genes as well as some Northeast African genes.  Several appear typical Arabs and some could pass up as Southern Europeans while others could appear South Indian. There are some that have Negroid features and dark skin.  There seems to be lots of interbreeding among these people between different tribes, settlers, nomads and invaders.  The Dinka as you mentioned as well as the West Africans/Bantu tribes have interbred with the North Africans however Sudan was one of the Cradle of Civilizations such as the Nubians who are predominantly East African Negroid that interbred with some North Africans or Eurasians. In general pastoralist-agrarian societies are highly mix in comparison.

There should be Kazaks who are Hapa genetically and yet their phenotypical appearance could go either way or 50/50.  Even if the Kazak had a 60% Caucasoid and 40% Mongoloid, he may still end up looking phenotypically Mongoloid.  Some Kazaks look as if they have negligible amount of Caucasoid genes and yet they have 40% Caucasoid genes.  Filipinos who do appear more Caucasoid than Kazaks probably have negligible amount of Caucasoid genes. However I like to see more genetic testing among Filipinos in Philippines and we may possibly get a higher or lower percentage of Caucasoid genes, South Indian genes or Australoid genes.  

Kenyans, Tanzanians, Rwanda, Burundi do have Arab genes.  This east African side was heavily pirated by Arab traders and other groups.  The Nabataeans and other Arabs traded heavily with these countries.  Horn of Africa down to Tanzania was one of the Incense Trade Route or Silk Road Route even though the Arabs would eventually trade further south with the Malagasy people in Madagascar.

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@qamzardaan

 

 

 

North Africans such as Moroccans and Algerians who are predominantly Saharan-Arabian have a substantial amount of Sub-Saharan genes as well as some Northeast African genes.  Several appear typical Arabs and some could pass up as Southern Europeans while others could appear South Indian. There are some that have Negroid features and dark skin.  There seems to be lots of interbreeding among these people between different tribes, settlers, nomads and invaders.  The Dinka as you mentioned as well as the West Africans/Bantu tribes have interbred with the North Africans however Sudan was one of the Cradle of Civilizations such as the Nubians who are predominantly East African Negroid that interbred with some North Africans or Eurasians. In general pastoralist-agrarian societies are highly mix in comparison.

 

There should be Kazaks who are Hapa genetically and yet their phenotypical appearance could go either way or 50/50.  Even if the Kazak had a 60% Caucasoid and 40% Mongoloid, he may still end up looking phenotypically Mongoloid.  Some Kazaks look as if they have negligible amount of Caucasoid genes and yet they have 40% Caucasoid genes.  Filipinos who do appear more Caucasoid than Kazaks probably have negligible amount of Caucasoid genes. However I like to see more genetic testing among Filipinos in Philippines and we may possibly get a higher or lower percentage of Caucasoid genes, South Indian genes or Australoid genes.  

 

Kenyans, Tanzanians, Rwanda, Burundi do have Arab genes.  This east African side was heavily pirated by Arab traders and other groups.  The Nabataeans and other Arabs traded heavily with these countries.  Horn of Africa down to Tanzania was one of the Incense Trade Route or Silk Road Route even though the Arabs would eventually trade further south with the Malagasy people in Madagascar.

 

 

 

 

Wow you have been studying anthropology and genetics quite a lot. Yes your observations are mostly correct. Yes, Filipinos and other SE Asians who look more Caucasoid might actually be much less Caucasoid than a Kazakh or Kyrgyz who look pure/almost pure Mongoloid. The correlation between genetics and phenotypes can be strange, don't you think?

Although I would say most Philos who do look more Caucasoid actually have a decent amount of Caucasoid like 7-15% compared to most Filipinos who have very little, just basing on the pics of many Filo Gedmatch users that I saw. I want to see more DNA testing of Filos as well. For example, I have seen only two Moro DNA results (they are very rare) and they score almost like the average Filipino which surprised me as I would expected them to have higher South Asian admixture or even Arab ancestry. But its only two samples so I can't make any conclusions yet.

Some corrections on the East Africans though. Its not actually Arab genes per say as by that time which is during Neolithic, Arabs as an actual group don't really existed yet. But yep, its something that made up a significant amount of Arab and other Semite genes. Actually the Caucasoid genes (mainly Levantine Neolithic-related) in East Africa is mediated by ancient Cushitics/Hamites (Horn African/Somalian/Ethiopian-like groups) rather than by actual Arabs and other Semites.

Btw, the Luo, Luhya in Kenya have literally zero to very negligible (0-3%) Caucasoid genes which makes them as Caucasoid or even less than Vietnamese and most Filipinos. Meanwhile many other tribes like Kalenjin, Kikuyu, Meru, Kamba have around 10-15% Caucasoid (Cushitic-admixed) on average which is more than most Pinoys, a lot of  Indonesians (a lot of Indo results that I saw have less than 10% West Eurasian and more like around 5-9% which makes them more Caucasoid than most Pinoys) and around the same level as several Thais, Burmese and Malays. Even more than that, the Maasai who are around 20% Caucasoid are more Caucasoid than most SE Asians with the exception of maybe some ethnic Rakhine from Myanmar and some ethnic Acehnese from Sumatra, Indonesia. The Rakhine and Acehnese seem to have the most Caucasoid ancestry in SE Asia.

I feel that Kenya and Tanzania might have similar amounts of Caucasoid admixture on average as Myanmar and Thailand but I'm not too sure. Filipinos might have similar amounts of Caucasoid to Ugandans which is negligible to zero.