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Filipina/Guamanian Gedmatch results. Rather atypical. Their Caucasoid is mostly Indian-related not Spanish

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Do you think her South Asian ancestry is something like **actual** recent Indian ancestry or might it be something ancient related to Negrito or something like that?

Where exactly do you think her South Asian ancestry may be from? From what I read on Wikipedia..most of the Filipinos of Indian descent were either of Sindhi, Punjabi, or Tamil origins. From wikipedia:

Most of the Indians and Indian Filipinos in the Philippines are Sindhi and Punjabi as well as a large Tamil population. Many are fluent in Tagalog and English as well as local languages of the provinces and islands. Many are prosperous middle class with their main occupations in clothing sales and marketing. Sikhs are involved largely in finance, money lending (locally called Five - six[14] ), sales and marketing.

Over the last three decades, a large number of civil servants and highly educated Indians working in large banks, Asian Development Bank and the BPO sector have migrated to Philippines, especially Manila.[15] Most of the Indian Filipinos and Indian expatriates are Hindu, Sikh or Muslims, but have assimilated into Filipino culture. The community regularly conducts philanthropic activities through bodies such as the Mahaveer foundation, The SEVA foundation[16] and the Sathya Sai organization.[17]

Most Indians congregate for socio-cultural and religious activities at the Hindu Temple (Mahatma Gandhi Street, Paco, Manila), the Indian Sikh Temple (United Nations Avenue, Paco, Manila), and the Radha Soami Satsang Beas center (Alabang, Muntinlupa City, Metro Manila). The late "priest" (scripture reader in Sindhi and Gurumukhi) of the Hindu Temple, Giani Joginder Singh Sethi, was active in interfaith affairs, accepted visits by school students, and organised the first major translation of Guru Nanak's Jap Ji into Filipino (Tagalog), translated by Usha Ramchandani and edited by Samuel Salter (published 2001).

Many Indians have intermarried with Filipinos, more so than in neighboring countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore, mainly because their populations are largely Muslim, and the Indians there (with the exception of Indian-Muslims) are averse to marrying Muslims in those host countries.[18]

Indian Filipino companies with the largest work force include Indo Phil Textile (1,800 employees), Global Steel (950 employees and 8,000 in Iligan), Hinduja Global (3,500 workers) and Aegis People Support (over 12,000).[19]

Lots of Indian students mainly from southern part of India are studying in various parts of Philippines notably in Davao, where more than 5000 Indian students are currently doing their MD program from Davao Medical School Foundation.Other cities like Manila, Cebu, Legazpi also have considerable number of Indian students.

 
Posted : 25/11/2019 3:49 pm
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Sorry am a bit busy right now. Will reply to this later.

 

 
Posted : 29/11/2019 1:59 pm
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10.44 is rather high, she probably has recent South Asian admixture instead of a Sepoy Indian ancestry in 1760's.  There are several Indians in Philippines even more so than Caucasians in certain cities and towns in some provinces.  Most of them opened up businesses whether its a liquor store, cell phone, retail shops, and other businesses. 

 
Posted : 23/11/2020 1:18 am
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Yup, but the first girl who is also Pinay but lives in Guam. She has around 13% South Asian which is higher than the second girl who is 10.44%. The first girl seems to originally come from Zamboanga at least based from her mom's facebook account (i assumed its her mom).

I see. Could it be possible that some of these South Asian admixture actually goes back to precolonial era? Like I heard that there were Indianized kingdoms in precolonial Luzon and Visayas before the Spanish arrived: 

https://www.aswangproject.com/understand-philippine-mythology-indianized/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_influences_in_early_Philippine_polities

https://kreately.in/indian-imprints-in-pre-colonial-philippines/

I have seen a lot of Philo DNA results and I never seen any who got as high as 10% South Asian. Is it possible that the Spaniards actually kill off and destroyed most Indian genetic imprints in the Philippines (assuming that there were Indian settlers in precolonial times to spread Hinduism and Buddhism)?

I assume that in the Moro territory of Mindanao or any other area where the Spanish hasn't colonized, there might be greater chance of finding higher % of South Asian like the rest of SE Asia (most SE Asians have much higher South Asian than Filipinos, from the DNA results that I saw of them). 

 
Posted : 24/11/2020 4:03 am
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Possibly some of the South Asian genes goes back to Pre-Colonial Era but those genes have been diluted to a mere fraction.  Possibly some South Asian genes are from the 1760's Sepoys and the article below mentions that there is still a sizeable Indian population in Cainta however when I visited and stayed in Cainta, I didn't see any Indians or any Filipinos with Indian admixture.  At the time, I didn't roam around and visited several areas in Cainta which may explain why I wasn't able to see any Indians.

 

I'm unaware of how Spanish people treated the Indians in Philippines during Spanish Era but I assume they treated them no different than the local Filipinos.  

 

The Indian population in Philippines are spread out for the most part, they are usually visible in the cities and tourist spots.  The article suggest that a large number of them reside in Manila and the largest community outside Manila is in Isabela province. 

 

 

 

 

As of 2006, between 70 and 75 percent of Indians in the Philippines lived in Metro Manila, with the largest community outside of Manila being in Isabela province.[12] The region in and around Cainta still has many Sepoy descendants.

However, Indian business people started to arrive in larger numbers in The Philippines during the American colonial period (1898–1930s) - especially during the 1930s and 1940s, when many Indians and Indian Filipinos lived in Filipino provinces, including Davao

A second surge of Indian businessmen, especially Sindhis arrived in Philippines during the Partition of India.[13]

 

Most of the Indians and Indian Filipinos in the Philippines are Sindhi and Punjabi as well as a large Tamil population. Many are fluent in Tagalog and English as well as local languages of the provinces and islands. Many are prosperous middle class with their main occupations in clothing sales and marketing. Sikhs are involved largely in finance, money lending (locally called Five - six[14] ), sales and marketing.

 

 

 

 

Location in the Philippines

 

 

 
Posted : 24/11/2020 6:34 am
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