Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloid groups to Native Americans. – Page 5 – Anthropology, Population Genetics & Human Evolution

Qamzardaan · 2020-11-09T07:37:53Z

@rodriguez @prau123 @selurong @rambo Believe it or not, but Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloids to Native Americans. Look at how further away the Native Americans (Mixe, Aymara, Surui) are from the Luzon (Filipino) sample. Even heavily Mongoloid/ENA shifted Europeans such as Udmurt, Saami, Chuvash or South Asians/South Central Asians such as Velamas, Punjabi Sikh India, Balochi are genetically closer to Luzon than the Native American samples are. Furthermore, look at how Finnish_East and Chechen are genetically closer to the Luzon than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from South America) are to the Luzon. Using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there. It shows the genetically closest/least distant to the furthest/most distant groups to Filipinos (Luzon, Vizayan). The more bottom the population, the more distant it is from the target population. For example, Jomon being under the Han_Shanxi for Luzon means the Jomon is genetically further away from the Luzon Filipino than Han Chinese from Shanxi Province is to the Luzon. Distance to: Luzon Same thing with the Vizayan (Filipino) sample. Look at how the Balochi and Finnish_East are genetically closer to the Vizayan Filipino than the Mixe despite the latter being predominantly West Eurasian or how the Chechen and Egyptian arre genetically closer to the Vizayan than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from the Andean region of South America) are to the Filipino individual. Distance to: Vizayan This is also the reversal with Native Americans. Filipinos are one of the most distant groups genetically to them: A Genetic Distance Run using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there by Davidski: Surui (a Native American tribe from South America) from most to least. Look at how faraway from Surui the Filipino samples are (Luzon and Igorot). Even some Caucasoids such as Mari, Udmurt, Saami, Turkmen or some Tatars are genetically closer to Surui than Filipinos are. The closest pops to the Surui are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Selkup who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian. Distance to: Surui Or compare to the Pima, a Native American tribe from Southwestern USA/Northern Mexico. Once again, the Filipinos (Luzon, Igorot) are at the bottom which means the most distant/furthest away. Some Caucasoids like Mari, Turkmen, Udmurt, Saami, some Tatars seem genetically closer to the Pima than Filipinos are. Closest pops are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Kazakh who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian. Distance to: Pima Reasons for why Filipinos and Natives could be extremely genetically distant from one another. 1) Native Americans are genetically very divergent from other "Mongoloids" including Filipinos due to being separated from Asians for at least 20,000 years or more after they move to the Americas 2) Native Americans have 30-40% ANE (even up to 45% ANE according to some qpAdm formal stat results that I saw), a predominantly ancient West Eurasian component that they shared with South Asians, Central Asians and Caucasoids such as West Asians, Europeans, Middle Easterners. Most Mongoloids including Filipinos lack ANE or if they have it is very negligible/almost zero amounts which they received from their Iberian admix. Spaniards have some ANE but pretty low compared to Northern Euros and Eastern Euros. 3) ANE also means around 23-30% West Eurasian ancestry or more for Native Americans. Filipinos on the other hand, are predominantly or almost 100% East Eurasian (its a term to refer to those in the Mongoloid and Australoid genetic cluster). 4) The East Eurasian ancestry of Native Americans is Siberian-derived and related to Paleo-Siberian/Devil's Gate which is the main ancestors of Tungusic tribes which is very different and distinct from the East Eurasian ancestry of Filipinos which originates from Southern China and closely related to Taiwanese Aborigines. I can show you how I get these distance numbers if you want.

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Qamzardaan

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Can these individuals pass in South America or they look too Asian?

3. The three below pics are of the same guy.

Posted : 14/11/2020 12:41 am

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Some Chamorros in Guam, Micronesia could pass up as Latin Americans since Mexican-Spain occupied the islands from 1565 to 1898. Chamorros in Guam are culturally closer to Mexican Spanish than American and several of them do have Spanish surnames. However only a few speak Spanish in recent times.

Posted : 14/11/2020 1:08 am

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What's the average percentage of Negrito admixture for Filipino??...

Posted : 14/11/2020 2:33 am

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Andamanese and sub-Sub Africans have little genetic relationship.

There are few theories that suggest how the Andamanese developed their dark skin color, facial and physical features and hair that resembles sub-Saharan Africans.

Convergent evolution is one theory as some suggest however some suggest that the Andamanese may have retained their sub-Saharan physical traits because when their ancestors departed Africa they remained in the hot desert climates and hot tropical zones as they arrived on Andaman Island around 30,000 yrs ago when Sundaland was still a large landmass even though it may still take a boat ride to the Andaman Islands.

Posted : 14/11/2020 3:04 am

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@qamzardaan I guess no. I think it makes sense for natives to be farther from us than those we've had more recent interaction with. Not only were they isolated for 10k years, Filipinos as an example were probably somewhere in China back then (their ancestors). These NA are said to be admixed with a Caucasoid component & they supposedly hailed from somewhere in Siberia. & whatever ethnic group once thrived there 10k years ago, we may never even know. I doubt we interacted prior to NA crossing & after, so it makes sense to me I guess.

Posted : 14/11/2020 7:25 pm