Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloid groups to Native Americans. – Page 6 – Anthropology, Population Genetics & Human Evolution

Qamzardaan · 2020-11-09T07:37:53Z

@rodriguez @prau123 @selurong @rambo Believe it or not, but Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloids to Native Americans. Look at how further away the Native Americans (Mixe, Aymara, Surui) are from the Luzon (Filipino) sample. Even heavily Mongoloid/ENA shifted Europeans such as Udmurt, Saami, Chuvash or South Asians/South Central Asians such as Velamas, Punjabi Sikh India, Balochi are genetically closer to Luzon than the Native American samples are. Furthermore, look at how Finnish_East and Chechen are genetically closer to the Luzon than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from South America) are to the Luzon. Using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there. It shows the genetically closest/least distant to the furthest/most distant groups to Filipinos (Luzon, Vizayan). The more bottom the population, the more distant it is from the target population. For example, Jomon being under the Han_Shanxi for Luzon means the Jomon is genetically further away from the Luzon Filipino than Han Chinese from Shanxi Province is to the Luzon. Distance to: Luzon Same thing with the Vizayan (Filipino) sample. Look at how the Balochi and Finnish_East are genetically closer to the Vizayan Filipino than the Mixe despite the latter being predominantly West Eurasian or how the Chechen and Egyptian arre genetically closer to the Vizayan than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from the Andean region of South America) are to the Filipino individual. Distance to: Vizayan This is also the reversal with Native Americans. Filipinos are one of the most distant groups genetically to them: A Genetic Distance Run using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there by Davidski: Surui (a Native American tribe from South America) from most to least. Look at how faraway from Surui the Filipino samples are (Luzon and Igorot). Even some Caucasoids such as Mari, Udmurt, Saami, Turkmen or some Tatars are genetically closer to Surui than Filipinos are. The closest pops to the Surui are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Selkup who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian. Distance to: Surui Or compare to the Pima, a Native American tribe from Southwestern USA/Northern Mexico. Once again, the Filipinos (Luzon, Igorot) are at the bottom which means the most distant/furthest away. Some Caucasoids like Mari, Turkmen, Udmurt, Saami, some Tatars seem genetically closer to the Pima than Filipinos are. Closest pops are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Kazakh who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian. Distance to: Pima Reasons for why Filipinos and Natives could be extremely genetically distant from one another. 1) Native Americans are genetically very divergent from other "Mongoloids" including Filipinos due to being separated from Asians for at least 20,000 years or more after they move to the Americas 2) Native Americans have 30-40% ANE (even up to 45% ANE according to some qpAdm formal stat results that I saw), a predominantly ancient West Eurasian component that they shared with South Asians, Central Asians and Caucasoids such as West Asians, Europeans, Middle Easterners. Most Mongoloids including Filipinos lack ANE or if they have it is very negligible/almost zero amounts which they received from their Iberian admix. Spaniards have some ANE but pretty low compared to Northern Euros and Eastern Euros. 3) ANE also means around 23-30% West Eurasian ancestry or more for Native Americans. Filipinos on the other hand, are predominantly or almost 100% East Eurasian (its a term to refer to those in the Mongoloid and Australoid genetic cluster). 4) The East Eurasian ancestry of Native Americans is Siberian-derived and related to Paleo-Siberian/Devil's Gate which is the main ancestors of Tungusic tribes which is very different and distinct from the East Eurasian ancestry of Filipinos which originates from Southern China and closely related to Taiwanese Aborigines. I can show you how I get these distance numbers if you want.

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Qamzardaan

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Actually Natives diverged and become isolated from Asians at around 20,000 years ago or more.

And yes, Natives have a Caucasoid genetic component in them from Ancient North Eurasians and they were already in Siberia while Philos were in Southern China close to SE Asia.

And yep, I don't think the NA and Filipinos ever interact any time in history.

Posted : 15/11/2020 2:16 am

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@qamzardaan I sit corrected then, 20k years is even 2x as long. There was a small interaction but the genetic impact isn't very substantial & it was during the Spanish colonial times when 1-2 tribes were brought in and relocated in Luzon (correct me if I'm wrong, I believe I read this somewhere).

Posted : 15/11/2020 5:20 pm

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@rodriguez

Can these individuals pass in South America or they look too Asian?

3. The three below pics are of the same guy.

No, they can't because they are too Asian looking but I think the 2nd guy on the top can

Posted : 15/11/2020 11:33 pm

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@rodriguez

That's because genes doesn't determine how you would look. Just because you might sort of resemble someone else, doesn't mean you are genetically closely related to them.

This process is called convergent evolution where two populations or groups that have little to no genetic relatedness at all developed similar characteristics including facial and other physical features from living in similar climates and environments as a result of adaptation and natural selection.

A good example for this is the case of Andamanese/Onge and Negroids. Many people will think the Andamanese tribes look almost identical to Africans despite the fact that the Andamanese and Sub Saharan Africans have little to no genetic relationship. In fact, even the Andamanese are genetically closer to Mongoloids and Caucasoids than they are to Negroids.

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To many people, these Andamanese look very similar/almost identical to Africans despite the fact that they are genetically very different and distant from one another.

It's the same case with Native Americans and Pacific Islanders and Pinoys (another term that means Filipino). Certain Pacific Islanders and Philipinos might be the only Asian that can pass somewhat in South America doesn't mean that they are genetically close to one another or related. In fact, Native Americans are genetically very distant and distinct from Filipinos and Pacific Islanders as have been demonstrated in the first post of this thread and also another thread regarding how "Native Americans are divergent from Mongoloids".

Some more examples of convergent evolution. These species look alike/almost identical to people who are not experts, but they are hardly genetically related to one another or are not even related at all. Same cases with Andamanese and Negroids or certain Amerindians and some Pinoys and Pacific Islanders.