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Northern Thais/Lanna and Lao are genetically much closer to Viets than to other Thais.

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Thoughts on this?

It seems that ethnic Tais (wrote Tai to distinguish them from the Thai) of Northern Thailand/locals of the Lanna region and many ethnic Lao from both Laos (the country) and Northern parts of Isaanaka NE Thailand such as Loei, Nong Khai, Udon Thani, Nakhon Phanom, etc. are genetically much closer to Vietnamese and indigenous peoples of Southern China such as the Hmong, Mulam, Lahu, etc. than to the Thais of Central, Eastern and Southernregions. I will mention that Southern Isaan is pretty different from Northern Isaan; the former is inhabited primarily by Khmers and other Austroasiatic speakers.

I find this very interesting because it's fascinating how Northern Thais (comprises of many different Tai-Kadai ethnic groups such as Tai Yuan, Tai Lue, Tai Khuen (a subgroup of the Shan, Yong, etc) and ethnic Lao (another Tai-Kadai group) of Laos and Northern Isaan can be so genetically close to the Kinh aka ethnic Vietnamese of Vietnam despite speaking totally different languages.

I know this forum doesn't allow taxonomy or phenotypical discussion, but I want to mention that this seems to correlate with genetics. When I visited the Northern Thailand and Northern parts of Isaan, I noticed a lot of the locals have lighter skin, much more East Asian-ish features (despite having no Chinese admixture from what they told me) and look much more like the Viets I have interacted with IRL and seen in Hanoi (I have been to Vietnam only once) and many ethnic Chinese Thai (I'm one myself ethnically) and ethnic minorities of Southern China than to most Thais south of the historical Lanna Kingdom who have darker complexion and look a lot more stereotypically SE Asian which indicate a lot of Mon, Khmer, Indian and Malay ancestries (the latter in Southern Thailand).

Here are some Northern Thai/Lanna and Laotian gedmatch samples to illustrate my point. I also have their G25 results which is simulated from their HarappaWorld (they haven't actually done G25 yet).

1. This kit is from Phayao in Northern Thailand. Not sure what Tai group she is but likely Tai Yuan.

MDLP K23b.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 44.28
2 Austronesian 41.54
3 Tungus-Altaic 8.22
4 South_Indian 3.62
5 Australoid 0.78
6 East_Siberian 0.54
7 Subsaharian 0.45
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.33
9 Khoisan 0.18
10 Archaic_Human 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Yong ( ) 4.08
2 Tai_Lue ( ) 4.1
3 Tai_Yuan ( ) 4.35
4 Vietnamese ( ) 4.42
5 Tai_Khuen ( ) 4.84
6 Yao ( ) 5.48
7 Zhuang ( ) 5.67
8 Jiamao ( ) 5.76
9 Hmong ( ) 6.41
10 Cantonese ( ) 6.61
11 Htin ( ) 8.02
12 Vietnamese_north ( ) 8.09
13 Hmong_Miao ( ) 8.56
14 Mlabri ( ) 8.83
15 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 8.84
16 Vietnamese_central ( ) 9.2
17 Vietnamese_south ( ) 9.53
18 Plang ( ) 9.6
19 Javanese ( ) 10.09
20 Jagoi ( ) 10.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.9% Zhuang ( ) + 11.1% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.12
2 80.1% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 19.9% Ryukyuan ( ) @ 1.3
3 55.4% Jagoi ( ) + 44.6% Han ( ) @ 1.5
4 65.2% Iban ( ) + 34.8% Aonaga ( ) @ 1.54
5 91.8% Vietnamese ( ) + 8.2% Pahari ( ) @ 1.66
6 89% Jiamao ( ) + 11% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.67
7 92.3% Tai_Lue ( ) + 7.7% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.71
8 79.1% Vietnamese ( ) + 20.9% Mon ( ) @ 1.75
9 66.2% Yao ( ) + 33.8% Jagoi ( ) @ 1.8
10 85% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 15% Hezhen ( ) @ 1.81
11 95.1% Vietnamese ( ) + 4.9% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 1.84
12 54.6% She ( ) + 45.4% Dayak ( ) @ 1.87
13 85.3% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 14.7% Daur ( ) @ 1.88
14 95.8% Vietnamese ( ) + 4.2% Chenchu ( ) @ 1.9
15 96% Vietnamese ( ) + 4% Hakkipikki ( ) @ 1.91
16 82.3% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 17.7% Japanese ( ) @ 1.93
17 50.7% Dayak ( ) + 49.3% Miao ( ) @ 1.93
18 65.9% Yao ( ) + 34.1% Javanese ( ) @ 1.94
19 96.1% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.9% Malayan ( ) @ 1.94
20 96% Vietnamese ( ) + 4% Kurumba ( ) @ 1.95

PuntDNAL K13: score Kinh/Vietnamese, Dai and Lahu before Cambodian and Thai.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 48.01
2 SE_Asia 41.99
3 South_Asia 5.17
4 Oceania 1.93
5 East_Africa 0.95
6 SW_Europe 0.86
7 South_Africa 0.55
8 NE_Europe 0.5
9 SW_Asia 0.02
10 West_Africa 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dai 4.32
2 Vietnamese 4.96
3 Lahu 11.03
4 Thai 14.97
5 Cambodian 18.69
6 Burmese 19.89
7 Miaozu 20.81
8 Malayan 23.3
9 She 25.72
10 Han_South_China 25.89
11 Filipino 26.18
12 Luzon 26.36
13 Visayan 26.89
14 Dusun 34.3
15 Naxi 34.31
16 Murut 36.33
17 Han_North_China 39.14
18 Korean 42.71
19 Xibo 44.53
20 Japanese 46.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.6% Dai + 20.4% Thai @ 2.06
2 85.8% Vietnamese + 14.2% Filipino @ 2.44
3 95.2% Dai + 4.8% Mawasi @ 2.47
4 95.3% Dai + 4.7% Romani @ 2.48
5 84% Dai + 16% Cambodian @ 2.51
6 86.2% Vietnamese + 13.8% Visayan @ 2.51
7 95.5% Dai + 4.5% Gond @ 2.53
8 86% Vietnamese + 14% Luzon @ 2.54
9 96% Dai + 4% Paniya @ 2.57
10 95.8% Dai + 4.2% Pulliyar @ 2.57
11 95.8% Dai + 4.2% Tamil_Nadu_Caste @ 2.58
12 95.8% Dai + 4.2% Chenchus @ 2.58
13 95.9% Dai + 4.1% North_Kannadi @ 2.58
14 95.5% Dai + 4.5% Bengali @ 2.59
15 96% Dai + 4% Sakilli @ 2.6
16 95.9% Dai + 4.1% UP_Muslim @ 2.6
17 95.8% Dai + 4.2% Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin @ 2.61
18 95.9% Dai + 4.1% Piramalai_Kallars @ 2.63
19 96% Dai + 4% Hakkipikki @ 2.64
20 95.7% Dai + 4.3% Kashmir_Pandit @ 2.66

Her G25 population distance: the Vietnamese (Kinh and Dong profiles) comes from this thread. It's fascinating how she is closer to the Vietnamese, Dai, Southern Chinese ethnic minorities such as Gelao, Mulam, Dong, Lahu, Lawa than to other Thais and Cambodians.

Distance to: Phayao_1

Spoiler

[B]0.02358892 Kinh_Vietnam
0.02435845 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)[/B]
[B]0.02677338 Gelao
[/B][B]0.02763806 Tai_Lue
[/B]0.02977526 Lahu
[B]0.03084605 Dai
[B][/B]0.03773484 Zhuang
[B][/B]0.03962704 Maonan
[/B]0.04112553 Mulam
0.04643903 Dong_Guizhou
0.04784120 Li
0.04982191 Lawa
0.05020075 Karen_Sgaw
0.05225082 Dong_Hunan
0.05380770 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.05488653 Cambodian
0.05825672 Hmong
0.06251951 Akha
0.06309951 Han_Guangdong
0.07122919 Thai
0.07313662 Miao
0.07402471 Htin_Mal
0.08283232 Tujia
0.08290185 Han_Chongqing
0.08381104 Malay
0.08592360 She
0.08696019 Han_Fujian
0.08857581 Atayal
0.09070317 Han_Sichuan
0.09174318 Mlabri

Here is how she can be modelled using G25: Lawa is an indigenous Austroasiatic speaking group from Northern Thailand, who is be one of the oldest settlers in the region before the arrival of Tai speaking migrants from Southern China.

Target: Phayao_1
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449925
72.0 Kinh_Vietnam
28.0 Lawa

Another model of her:

Target: Phayao_1
Distance: 1.4385% / 0.01438458
60.6 Kinh_Vietnam
26.4 Lawa
11.4 Tai_Lue
1.6 Karen_Sgaw

2. Another gedmatch kit from Northern Thailand. He is also much closer to the Kinh/Viet and Dai than to Thai and Cambodian. Don't know what province in the former Lanna area he is from and what Tai ethnic group he is.

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 46.2
2 Austronesian 43.44
3 Tungus-Altaic 4.21
4 South_Indian 3.83
5 Australoid 1.61
6 East_Siberian 0.57
7 East_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Yong ( ) 3.51
2 Vietnamese ( ) 4.07
3 Tai_Lue ( ) 4.35
4 Tai_Khuen ( ) 4.58
5 Tai_Yuan ( ) 4.76
6 Vietnamese_north ( ) 5.15
7 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 5.31
8 Vietnamese_central ( ) 5.36
9 Zhuang ( ) 5.43
10 Vietnamese_south ( ) 5.43
11 Jiamao ( ) 6.23
12 Htin ( ) 7.01
13 Chinese_Dai ( ) 8.03
14 Dai ( ) 8.24
15 Hmong ( ) 8.32
16 Yao ( ) 8.5
17 Jagoi ( ) 9.01
18 Mlabri ( ) 9.03
19 Javanese ( ) 9.33
20 Khmer_Cambodian ( ) 9.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71% Vietnamese ( ) + 29% Khmer_Cambodian ( ) @ 1.41
2 89.1% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 10.9% Ryukyuan ( ) @ 1.66
3 64.7% Vietnamese ( ) + 35.3% Htin ( ) @ 1.66
4 91.9% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 8.1% Daur ( ) @ 1.72
5 72% Vietnamese ( ) + 28% Cambodian ( ) @ 1.73
6 91.8% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 8.2% Hezhen ( ) @ 1.75
7 91.7% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 8.3% Mongol_Khalkha ( ) @ 1.76
8 90.5% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 9.5% Mongola_China ( ) @ 1.83
9 93.4% Vietnamese_north ( ) + 6.6% Onge ( ) @ 1.86
10 90.5% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 9.5% Xibo ( ) @ 1.88
11 92.6% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 7.4% Mongolian ( ) @ 1.89
12 91.3% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 8.7% Mongolian_QH ( ) @ 1.89
13 92.5% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 7.5% Kalmyk ( ) @ 1.9
14 89.2% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 10.8% Japanese_ML ( ) @ 1.91
15 69% Chinese_Dai ( ) + 31% Mon ( ) @ 1.94
16 94% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 6% Ulchi ( ) @ 1.97
17 68.5% Dai ( ) + 31.5% Mon ( ) @ 1.97
18 90.4% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 9.6% Japanese ( ) @ 2.02
19 93.1% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 6.9% Buryat ( ) @ 2.05
20 76.3% Vietnamese ( ) + 23.7% Thai ( ) @ 2.05

PuntDNAL Global K13: he is genetically closer to Dai, Vietnamese than to Thai and Cambodian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 46.61
2 SE_Asia 43.24
3 South_Asia 6.71
4 Oceania 1.78
5 SW_Europe 0.57
6 Americas 0.54
7 SW_Asia 0.38
8 West_Asia 0.12
9 West_Africa 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dai 5.58
2 Vietnamese 6
3 Lahu 12.64
4 Thai 14.01
5 Cambodian 16.68
6 Burmese 20.65
7 Malayan 21.3
8 Miaozu 22.72
9 Filipino 24.5
10 Luzon 24.7
11 Visayan 25.16
12 She 27.64
13 Han_South_China 27.8
14 Dusun 32.54
15 Murut 34.54
16 Naxi 35.95
17 Han_North_China 40.93
18 Korean 44.49
19 Xibo 45.93
20 Japanese 48.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% Vietnamese + 19% Visayan @ 1.03
2 80.6% Vietnamese + 19.4% Filipino @ 1.04
3 75.4% Dai + 24.6% Cambodian @ 1.36
4 84.8% Vietnamese + 15.2% Dusun @ 1.36
5 80.8% Vietnamese + 19.2% Luzon @ 1.36
6 85.6% Vietnamese + 14.4% Murut @ 1.48
7 78.6% Vietnamese + 21.4% Malayan @ 1.57
8 91% Vietnamese + 9% Igorot @ 1.74
9 56.5% Malayan + 43.5% She @ 2.36
10 73.8% Dai + 26.2% Thai @ 2.71
11 93.5% Dai + 6.5% Mawasi @ 2.81
12 51.6% Malayan + 48.4% Miaozu @ 2.91
13 81.7% Dai + 18.3% Malayan @ 2.95
14 72.6% Lahu + 27.4% Dusun @ 3.12
15 94.6% Dai + 5.4% Paniya @ 3.15
16 66.7% Lahu + 33.3% Luzon @ 3.16
17 94.1% Dai + 5.9% Gond @ 3.17
18 94.5% Dai + 5.5% Pulliyar @ 3.17
19 94.6% Dai + 5.4% North_Kannadi @ 3.23
20 94.7% Dai + 5.3% Sakilli @ 3.26

His G25 distance: closest pops to him are Tai Lue, Dai, Kinh/Vietnamese, Gelao, etc. Meanwhile Thai is pretty far from him at a distance of 7.45 at least.

Distance to: Northern_Thai_2

Spoiler

[B]0.01596160 Tai_Lue
0.01653396 Dai
0.01772728 Kinh_Vietnam
[B]0.01789468 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
[/B][/B]0.02396359 Gelao
[B]0.02972282 Maonan
[/B][B]0.03049204 Zhuang
[/B]0.03150581 Li
[B]0.03414304 Mulam
[/B]0.04413963 Dong_Guizhou
0.04463818 Lahu
0.05060700 Dong_Hunan
0.05251360 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.05918683 Cambodian
0.06098187 Hmong
0.06434555 Lawa
0.06435730 Han_Guangdong
0.06700945 Karen_Sgaw
0.07498072 Thai
0.07641566 Htin_Mal
0.07718728 Akha
0.07823715 Atayal
0.07866405 Miao
0.08080190 Luzon
0.08379137 Malay
0.08653921 She
0.08772406 Ami
0.08796307 Han_Chongqing
0.08896636 Han_Fujian
0.08931594 Tujia

Here is how he can be modelled:

Target: Northern_Thai
Distance: 1.3247% / 0.01324715
54.0 Dai
40.4 Kinh_Vietnam
5.6 Lawa

3. She is also from Phayao in Northern Thailand. She is also genetically closer to Dai and Viets than to Thais.

MDLP K23b.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 44.56
2 Austronesian 39.94
3 Tungus-Altaic 9.31
4 South_Indian 4.85
5 Australoid 0.38
6 East_African 0.35
7 Khoisan 0.32
8 South_Central_Asian 0.13
9 European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.12
10 Archaic_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tai_Yuan ( ) 4.59
2 Yao ( ) 5.3
3 Yong ( ) 6.1
4 Vietnamese ( ) 6.24
5 Tai_Lue ( ) 6.27
6 Tai_Khuen ( ) 6.28
7 Hmong ( ) 6.34
8 Cantonese ( ) 6.38
9 Zhuang ( ) 7.82
10 Jiamao ( ) 7.84
11 Htin ( ) 7.87
12 Hmong_Miao ( ) 8.07
13 Plang ( ) 8.69
14 Mlabri ( ) 9.51
15 Vietnamese_north ( ) 9.88
16 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 10.25
17 Khmer_Cambodian ( ) 10.28
18 Cambodian ( ) 10.32
19 Lawa ( ) 10.72
20 Vietnamese_central ( ) 10.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.2% Cantonese ( ) + 37.8% Cambodian ( ) @ 1.54
2 77.3% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 22.7% Ryukyuan ( ) @ 1.54
3 84.7% Zhuang ( ) + 15.3% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.76
4 88.1% Vietnamese ( ) + 11.9% Pahari ( ) @ 1.86
5 62.3% Cantonese ( ) + 37.7% Khmer_Cambodian ( ) @ 1.86
6 63.7% She ( ) + 36.3% Batak_Karo ( ) @ 1.97
7 84.8% Jiamao ( ) + 15.2% Kusunda ( ) @ 2.01
8 67.5% Yao ( ) + 32.5% Cambodian ( ) @ 2.09
9 55.7% Cantonese ( ) + 44.3% Htin ( ) @ 2.1
10 62.6% She ( ) + 37.4% Batak_Toba ( ) @ 2.11
11 63.3% Iban ( ) + 36.7% Aonaga ( ) @ 2.13
12 51.8% Javanese ( ) + 48.2% Han ( ) @ 2.22
13 51.7% Han ( ) + 48.3% Sunda ( ) @ 2.23
14 77.3% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 22.7% Japanese_ML ( ) @ 2.25
15 62.5% Iban ( ) + 37.5% Nysha ( ) @ 2.3
16 65.2% Cantonese ( ) + 34.8% Thai ( ) @ 2.3
17 87.9% Tai_Lue ( ) + 12.1% Kusunda ( ) @ 2.35
18 79.9% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 20.1% Japanese ( ) @ 2.36
19 70.4% Vietnamese ( ) + 29.6% Mon ( ) @ 2.39
20 72.1% Hmong_Miao ( ) + 27.9% Batak_Karo ( ) @ 2.43

Her PuntDNAL Global K13: closest pops are Viet and Dai

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 49.08
2 SE_Asia 39
3 South_Asia 6.9
4 Oceania 1.29
5 SW_Asia 0.96
6 West_Asia 0.95
7 NE_Europe 0.83
8 West_Africa 0.49
9 South_Africa 0.41
10 SW_Europe 0.07
11 East_Africa 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 2.95
2 Dai 6.06
3 Lahu 8.58
4 Thai 13.55
5 Burmese 16.62
6 Miaozu 18.57
7 Cambodian 19.6
8 She 23.52
9 Han_South_China 23.67
10 Malayan 25.53
11 Filipino 29.08
12 Luzon 29.43
13 Visayan 29.6
14 Naxi 31.66
15 Han_North_China 36.63
16 Dusun 37.23
17 Murut 39.21
18 Korean 40.18
19 Xibo 42.3
20 Japanese 44.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.9% Vietnamese + 3.1% Yemeni @ 1.7
2 96.9% Vietnamese + 3.1% Palestinian @ 1.73
3 97.1% Vietnamese + 2.9% Saudi @ 1.74
4 96.9% Vietnamese + 3.1% Jordanian @ 1.74
5 96.9% Vietnamese + 3.1% Egyptian @ 1.75
6 97% Vietnamese + 3% Chechen @ 1.75
7 97.2% Vietnamese + 2.8% Bedouin @ 1.76
8 97% Vietnamese + 3% Syrian @ 1.76
9 97% Vietnamese + 3% Adygei @ 1.77
10 97% Vietnamese + 3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.77
11 97% Vietnamese + 3% Iranian @ 1.78
12 97% Vietnamese + 3% Kurdish @ 1.78
13 96.7% Vietnamese + 3.3% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.79
14 97% Vietnamese + 3% Ossetian @ 1.79
15 97% Vietnamese + 3% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.79
16 96.8% Vietnamese + 3.2% Kumyk @ 1.79
17 96.9% Vietnamese + 3.1% Turkish @ 1.8
18 97.1% Vietnamese + 2.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.8
19 97% Vietnamese + 3% Dagestan_Azeri @ 1.8
20 97.1% Vietnamese + 2.9% Assyrian @ 1.81

Her G25 distance: she is closest to Tai Lue, Vietnamese, Dai, Gelao, Zhuang meanwhile she is a bit distant from Thais and Cambodians.

Distance to: Phayao_2

Spoiler

[B]0.02519161 Tai_Lue
0.02577257 Kinh_Vietnam
0.02604039 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
0.03022425 Dai[/B]
[B]0.03340472 Gelao
[B][/B]0.03880449 Maonan
[/B][B]0.03989359 Zhuang
[/B]0.04091673 Li
[B]0.04323310 Mulam
[/B]0.04958400 Lahu
0.05168959 Dong_Guizhou
0.05418407 Cambodian
0.05883274 Dong_Hunan
0.05964350 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.06521520 Lawa
0.06726914 Karen_Sgaw
0.06819853 Hmong
0.06985801 Thai
0.07082119 Han_Guangdong
0.07361609 Atayal
0.07375102 Htin_Mal
0.07412381 Luzon
0.07440396 Malay
0.08053926 Akha
0.08195604 Vizayan
0.08406290 Ami
0.08439009 Miao
0.08617945 Hawaiian
0.09176148 Mlabri
0.09208488 Murut

Her G25 model:

Target: Phayao_2
Distance: 2.4767% / 0.02476716
72.8 Kinh_Vietnam
18.4 Dai
8.8 Lawa

Another model of her:

Target: Phayao_2
Distance: 2.3308% / 0.02330775
54.0 Tai_Lue
37.2 Kinh_Vietnam
8.8 Lawa

4. This gedmatch user is from Chiang Mai. He is very likely Tai Yuan. He is also closer to Vietnamese, Dai, and some Southern Chinese ethnic minorities than to Thais and Cambodians.

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 44.81
2 Austronesian 40.51
3 Tungus-Altaic 7.65
4 South_Indian 3.98
5 Caucasian 0.77
6 Arctic 0.76
7 Melano_Polynesian 0.62
8 Archaic_African 0.57
9 Amerindian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tai_Yuan ( ) 3.56
2 Yong ( ) 4.56
3 Tai_Khuen ( ) 4.8
4 Tai_Lue ( ) 4.95
5 Vietnamese ( ) 5.08
6 Yao ( ) 5.5
7 Hmong ( ) 6.18
8 Zhuang ( ) 6.7
9 Jiamao ( ) 6.83
10 Cantonese ( ) 6.87
11 Htin ( ) 7.58
12 Hmong_Miao ( ) 8.32
13 Vietnamese_north ( ) 8.36
14 Plang ( ) 8.56
15 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 8.78
16 Mlabri ( ) 9.14
17 Vietnamese_central ( ) 9.25
18 Vietnamese_south ( ) 9.51
19 Cambodian ( ) 10.15
20 Khmer_Cambodian ( ) 10.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Vietnamese ( ) + 24.5% Mon ( ) @ 1.76
2 90.5% Vietnamese ( ) + 9.5% Pahari ( ) @ 1.8
3 87.1% Zhuang ( ) + 12.9% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.87
4 90.5% Tai_Lue ( ) + 9.5% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.88
5 80.4% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 19.6% Ryukyuan ( ) @ 1.9
6 50% Sunda ( ) + 50% She ( ) @ 2.02
7 82.7% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 17.3% Xibo ( ) @ 2.11
8 61.3% Jagoi ( ) + 38.7% Tujia ( ) @ 2.14
9 66.2% Yao ( ) + 33.8% Cambodian ( ) @ 2.14
10 92.2% Vietnamese ( ) + 7.8% Nepalese ( ) @ 2.17
11 94.4% Vietnamese ( ) + 5.6% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 2.2
12 60.4% Cantonese ( ) + 39.6% Cambodian ( ) @ 2.23
13 59.3% Hmong_Miao ( ) + 40.7% Sunda ( ) @ 2.25
14 77.6% Hmong ( ) + 22.4% Batak_Karo ( ) @ 2.25
15 53.8% Jagoi ( ) + 46.2% Han ( ) @ 2.25
16 80.3% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 19.7% Japanese_ML ( ) @ 2.3
17 74.2% Tai_Lue ( ) + 25.8% Karen ( ) @ 2.3
18 52.5% Jagoi ( ) + 47.5% She ( ) @ 2.31
19 67% Hmong ( ) + 33% Sunda ( ) @ 2.31
20 91.7% Yong ( ) + 8.3% Kusunda ( ) @ 2.32

PuntDNAL Global K13: He is also closer to Viet, Dai than to Thai and Cambodian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 50.88
2 SE_Asia 36.29
3 South_Asia 5.78
4 Oceania 2.27
5 NE_Europe 1.93
6 Siberia 1.63
7 East_Africa 0.54
8 West_Asia 0.51
9 Americas 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 4.57
2 Lahu 5.56
3 Dai 7.81
4 Burmese 14.32
5 Thai 14.79
6 Miaozu 15.42
7 Han_South_China 20.44
8 She 20.51
9 Cambodian 22.35
10 Naxi 28.21
11 Malayan 28.52
12 Filipino 32.11
13 Visayan 32.27
14 Luzon 32.46
15 Han_North_China 33.16
16 Korean 36.69
17 Xibo 38.94
18 Dusun 40.33
19 Japanese 40.84
20 Murut 42.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.1% Miaozu + 34.9% Malayan @ 2.47
2 65.7% Dai + 34.3% Burmese @ 2.63
3 59.4% Miaozu + 40.6% Cambodian @ 2.65
4 58.3% She + 41.7% Malayan @ 2.77
5 93.9% Vietnamese + 6.1% Altaian @ 2.77
6 93.6% Vietnamese + 6.4% Mongolian @ 2.8
7 85.6% Lahu + 14.4% Malayan @ 2.82
8 82.4% Lahu + 17.6% Cambodian @ 2.93
9 52.2% She + 47.8% Cambodian @ 2.94
10 94.6% Vietnamese + 5.4% Tuvinian @ 2.95
11 93.8% Vietnamese + 6.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.04
12 92.8% Vietnamese + 7.2% Daur @ 3.07
13 95.6% Vietnamese + 4.4% Chuvash @ 3.09
14 87.4% Lahu + 12.6% Visayan @ 3.09
15 58.4% Han_South_China + 41.6% Malayan @ 3.12
16 96% Vietnamese + 4% Selkup @ 3.14
17 92.1% Vietnamese + 7.9% Xibo @ 3.16
18 93.8% Vietnamese + 6.2% Oroqen @ 3.16
19 95.5% Vietnamese + 4.5% Tatar @ 3.16
20 95.7% Vietnamese + 4.3% Aluet @ 3.18

His G25 distance: closest pops are Lahu, Kinh/Vietnamese, Gelao, Tai Lue meanwhile Thai is a bit far at a distance of 0.06 up.

Distance to: Chiang_Mai1

Spoiler

0.02218904 Lahu
[B]0.02668662 Kinh_Vietnam
0.02895075 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)[/B]
[B]0.03332661 Gelao
[/B][B]0.03534477 Tai_Lue
0.03825065 Dai
0.04227019 Zhuang[/B]
[B]0.04343378 Mulam
[/B]0.04394282 Karen_Sgaw
0.04432054 Dong_Guizhou
0.04700567 Lawa
[B]0.04718022 Maonan
[/B]0.04963608 Akha
0.04973490 Dong_Hunan
0.05048616 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.05201860 Hmong
0.05471177 Li
0.05860401 Han_Guangdong
0.05885779 Cambodian
0.06378338 Miao
0.06653412 Thai
0.07270398 Tujia
0.07439522 Han_Chongqing
0.07851288 Han_Fujian
0.07866721 She
0.08093724 Han_Sichuan
0.08276432 Htin_Mal
0.08733057 Han_Hubei
0.08910211 Malay
0.09075757 Burmese

His G25 model:

Target: Chiang_Mai1
Distance: 1.1458% / 0.01145754
60.6 Kinh_Vietnam
29.2 Karen_Sgaw
10.2 Akha

Here are also some Laotian gedmatch kits who seem to be closer to Viet, Dai, Southern Chinese ethnic minorities than to Thai and Cambodian.

1. Don't know which part of Laos he is originally from but likely from Vientiane based on the frequency of his lastname there.

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 46.23
2 Austronesian 41.82
3 Tungus-Altaic 4.74
4 Australoid 2.39
5 South_Indian 2.14
6 Caucasian 1.31
7 Paleo_Siberian 0.57
8 Subsaharian 0.4
9 East_African 0.25
10 Melano_Polynesian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tai_Khuen ( ) 3.63
2 Yong ( ) 3.97
3 Vietnamese ( ) 4.19
4 Tai_Yuan ( ) 4.38
5 Tai_Lue ( ) 4.64
6 Vietnamese_north ( ) 5.64
7 Zhuang ( ) 5.82
8 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 6.07
9 Vietnamese_central ( ) 6.48
10 Jiamao ( ) 6.6
11 Hmong ( ) 7.02
12 Yao ( ) 7.32
13 Vietnamese_south ( ) 7.39
14 Htin ( ) 8.45
15 Chinese_Dai ( ) 9
16 Cantonese ( ) 9.04
17 Dai ( ) 9.31
18 Plang ( ) 9.49
19 Hmong_Miao ( ) 9.56
20 Mlabri ( ) 10.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Filipino ( ) + 49.2% Lahu ( ) @ 2.7
2 91.8% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.2% Kazakh ( ) @ 2.85
3 91.9% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.1% Karakalpak ( ) @ 2.88
4 91.7% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.3% Kyrgyz_Bishkek ( ) @ 2.94
5 92% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8% Kyrgyz ( ) @ 2.94
6 96.7% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.3% Roma_BH ( ) @ 2.95
7 96.7% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.3% Roma ( ) @ 2.95
8 96.7% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.3% Roma_Macedonian ( ) @ 2.96
9 96.6% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.4% Roma_Bulgarian ( ) @ 2.96
10 96.6% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.4% Roma_Slovenian ( ) @ 3.01
11 91.3% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.7% Kazahs ( ) @ 3.01
12 89.2% Vietnamese_central ( ) + 10.8% Xibo ( ) @ 3.05
13 91.7% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.3% Hazara ( ) @ 3.08
14 90.1% Vietnamese_central ( ) + 9.9% Mongolian_QH ( ) @ 3.09
15 91.1% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.9% Uygur ( ) @ 3.1
16 92.8% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 7.2% Crimean_Tatar_Step ( ) @ 3.13
17 91.1% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 8.9% Uygur-Han ( ) @ 3.14
18 92.2% Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) + 7.8% Uzbek ( ) @ 3.15
19 78.8% Tai_Khuen ( ) + 21.2% Vietnamese_south ( ) @ 3.16
20 96.9% Vietnamese ( ) + 3.1% Romanian ( ) @ 3.16

PuntDNAL Global K13: he is much closer to Dai and Vietnamese than to Thai.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 46.66
2 SE_Asia 42.47
3 South_Asia 4.79
4 Oceania 2.18
5 SW_Asia 1.17
6 SW_Europe 1.15
7 Americas 0.98
8 East_Africa 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dai 5.38
2 Vietnamese 6.31
3 Lahu 12.2
4 Thai 14.66
5 Cambodian 17.86
6 Burmese 20.64
7 Miaozu 22
8 Malayan 22.06
9 Filipino 24.95
10 Luzon 25.22
11 Visayan 25.63
12 She 26.97
13 Han_South_China 27.08
14 Dusun 33.14
15 Murut 35.18
16 Naxi 35.34
17 Han_North_China 40.2
18 Korean 43.77
19 Xibo 45.24
20 Japanese 47.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% Malayan + 44.9% She @ 2.78
2 81.6% Vietnamese + 18.4% Filipino @ 2.91
3 82% Vietnamese + 18% Visayan @ 2.92
4 79.9% Dai + 20.1% Cambodian @ 3.04
5 50.1% Miaozu + 49.9% Malayan @ 3.04
6 82% Vietnamese + 18% Luzon @ 3.13
7 76.8% Dai + 23.2% Thai @ 3.2
8 86% Vietnamese + 14% Dusun @ 3.31
9 67.8% Lahu + 32.2% Filipino @ 3.34
10 68% Lahu + 32% Luzon @ 3.34
11 86.8% Vietnamese + 13.2% Murut @ 3.41
12 94.7% Dai + 5.3% Algerian @ 3.42
13 91.7% Vietnamese + 8.3% Igorot @ 3.43
14 94.7% Dai + 5.3% Tunisian @ 3.45
15 94.9% Dai + 5.1% Saharawi @ 3.45
16 53.2% Miaozu + 46.8% Filipino @ 3.47
17 94.8% Dai + 5.2% Moroccan @ 3.47
18 94.9% Dai + 5.1% Mozabite @ 3.48
19 94.6% Dai + 5.4% Romani @ 3.48
20 80.6% Vietnamese + 19.4% Malayan @ 3.5

His G25: closest to Tai_Lue, Vietnamese, Dai, Gelao, Maonan. Rather distant from Thai and Cambodian.

Distance to: Lao_American1

Spoiler

[B]0.01952382 Tai_Lue
0.02087925 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
0.02301288 Dai
0.02421157 Kinh_Vietnam[/B]
[B][B]0.03007260 Gelao
[/B][B][B][/B]0.03185030 Maonan
[/B][/B]0.03300434 Li
[B]0.03365490 Zhuang
[B][B][/B]0.03786589 Mulam
[/B][/B]0.04815105 Dong_Guizhou
0.05103895 Lahu
0.05499344 Dong_Hunan
0.05565294 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.06117232 Cambodian
0.06572461 Hmong
0.06735511 Atayal
0.06757554 Han_Guangdong
0.06919722 Lawa
0.06971141 Luzon
0.07107144 Karen_Sgaw
0.07659963 Htin_Mal
0.07738307 Thai
0.07794290 Ami
0.07924659 Malay
0.08126023 Vizayan
0.08264088 Akha
0.08272644 Miao
0.08306301 Hawaiian
0.08748592 Murut
0.09104489 She

Two G25 models of him

Target: Lao_American1
Distance: 2.1247% / 0.02124706
56.6 Dai
42.2 Kinh_Vietnam
1.2 Lawa

Target: Lao_American1
Distance: 1.9267% / 0.01926736
75.2 Tai_Lue
12.0 Dai
11.4 Kinh_Vietnam
1.4 Lawa

2. A Lao-American gedmatch kit. Not sure which part of Laos he is originally from but definitely somewhere in the north or Vientiane.

MDLP K23b: closest pops are Tai Yuan, Hmong, Yao, Tai Khuen, Vietnamese.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 45.7
2 Austronesian 39.33
3 Tungus-Altaic 9.11
4 South_Indian 4.92
5 Australoid 0.66
6 Melano_Polynesian 0.23
7 Subsaharian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tai_Yuan ( ) 3.91
2 Yao ( ) 4.96
3 Hmong ( ) 5.66
4 Tai_Khuen ( ) 6
5 Vietnamese ( ) 6.29
6 Cantonese ( ) 6.36
7 Yong ( ) 6.42
8 Tai_Lue ( ) 6.74
9 Hmong_Miao ( ) 7.37
10 Plang ( ) 7.66
11 Htin ( ) 7.79
12 Zhuang ( ) 8.32
13 Jiamao ( ) 8.5
14 Vietnamese_north ( ) 9.76
15 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 9.89
16 Lawa ( ) 9.89
17 Wa ( ) 10.14
18 Mlabri ( ) 10.15
19 Khmer_Cambodian ( ) 10.16
20 Cambodian ( ) 10.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62% Cantonese ( ) + 38% Khmer_Cambodian ( ) @ 1.57
2 87.3% Vietnamese ( ) + 12.7% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.66
3 87.9% Vietnamese ( ) + 12.1% Pahari ( ) @ 1.77
4 69.1% Yao ( ) + 30.9% Cambodian ( ) @ 1.79
5 83.7% Zhuang ( ) + 16.3% Kusunda ( ) @ 1.8
6 66.5% She ( ) + 33.5% Batak_Karo ( ) @ 1.83
7 68.5% Yao ( ) + 31.5% Khmer_Cambodian ( ) @ 1.9
8 63% Cantonese ( ) + 37% Cambodian ( ) @ 1.91
9 55.5% Cantonese ( ) + 44.5% Htin ( ) @ 1.93
10 77.8% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 22.2% Ryukyuan ( ) @ 1.98
11 62% Iban ( ) + 38% Aonaga ( ) @ 2.15
12 62.6% Yao ( ) + 37.4% Htin ( ) @ 2.17
13 55.6% She ( ) + 44.4% Sunda ( ) @ 2.2
14 51.1% Han ( ) + 48.9% Javanese ( ) @ 2.22
15 77.6% Vietnamese_south ( ) + 22.4% Japanese_ML ( ) @ 2.24
16 71.8% Yao ( ) + 28.2% Thai ( ) @ 2.25
17 59.4% Hmong_Miao ( ) + 40.6% Cambodian ( ) @ 2.28
18 55.6% Jagoi ( ) + 44.4% Tujia ( ) @ 2.29
19 52.2% She ( ) + 47.8% Javanese ( ) @ 2.3
20 65.8% She ( ) + 34.2% Batak_Toba ( ) @ 2.31

PuntDNAL Global K13: closer to Vietnamese, Lahu, Dai than to Thai and Cambodian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 51.13
2 SE_Asia 37.89
3 South_Asia 7.17
4 Oceania 1.3
5 Siberia 0.98
6 SW_Asia 0.85
7 West_Africa 0.51
8 NE_Europe 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 2.21
2 Lahu 6.27
3 Dai 6.5
4 Thai 14.79
5 Burmese 15.27
6 Miaozu 16.37
7 She 21.31
8 Han_South_China 21.44
9 Cambodian 21.51
10 Malayan 27.62
11 Naxi 29.49
12 Filipino 31.23
13 Luzon 31.46
14 Visayan 31.62
15 Han_North_China 34.43
16 Korean 37.98
17 Dusun 39.29
18 Xibo 40.47
19 Murut 41.26
20 Japanese 42.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Spoiler

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.9% Vietnamese + 3.1% Mongolian @ 1.31
2 96.3% Vietnamese + 3.7% Daur @ 1.37
3 97.3% Vietnamese + 2.7% Tuvinian @ 1.37
4 97.1% Vietnamese + 2.9% Altaian @ 1.38
5 96.8% Vietnamese + 3.2% Oroqen @ 1.4
6 96% Vietnamese + 4% Xibo @ 1.44
7 90.4% Vietnamese + 9.6% Burmese @ 1.51
8 97.1% Vietnamese + 2.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 1.53
9 98.2% Vietnamese + 1.8% Yakut @ 1.55
10 98.2% Vietnamese + 1.8% Dolgan @ 1.55
11 98.2% Vietnamese + 1.8% Selkup @ 1.61
12 80.2% Vietnamese + 19.8% Lahu @ 1.62
13 98.6% Vietnamese + 1.4% Nganasan @ 1.64
14 95.2% Vietnamese + 4.8% Naxi @ 1.65
15 98.4% Vietnamese + 1.6% Koryak @ 1.68
16 98.3% Vietnamese + 1.7% Bedouin @ 1.69
17 98.2% Vietnamese + 1.8% Moroccan @ 1.69
18 98.2% Vietnamese + 1.8% Algerian @ 1.7
19 98.2% Vietnamese + 1.8% Saharawi @ 1.7
20 98.3% Vietnamese + 1.7% Saudi @ 1.71

His G25 distance:

Distance to: Lao_American2

Spoiler

[B]0.02052170 Kinh_Vietnam
[/B]0.02179450 Lahu
[B]0.02485625 Gelao
[/B][B]0.02499494 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
0.02888833 Tai_Lue
0.03294721 Dai
0.03408127 Zhuang
[B][/B]0.03467011 Mulam
[/B]0.03568181 Dong_Guizhou
[B]0.03892998 Maonan
[/B]0.04160366 Dong_Hunan
0.04394089 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.04484820 Hmong
0.04792738 Li
0.05072387 Akha
0.05135219 Karen_Sgaw
0.05172123 Han_Guangdong
0.05356748 Lawa
0.05901337 Miao
0.06598875 Cambodian
0.06869279 Tujia
0.06974157 Han_Chongqing
0.07242425 She
0.07360042 Han_Fujian
0.07470299 Thai
0.07712859 Han_Sichuan
0.08310696 Han_Hubei
0.08655034 Htin_Mal
0.09272685 Han_Zhejiang
0.09563194 Malay

His G25 models:

Target: Lao_American2
Distance: 1.0286% / 0.01028624
69.0 Kinh_Vietnam
18.0 Akha
13.0 Lawa

When adding Tai Lue into the run:

Target: Lao_American
Distance: 0.9965% / 0.00996494
48.4 Kinh_Vietnam
21.2 Akha
19.2 Tai_Lue
9.4 Lawa
1.8 Karen_Sgaw

There are also other Thai and Laotian G25 samples who are also much closer to Kinh/Viet and Dai than to other Thais. For the Thai samples, they are all from Northern Thailand or Northern Isaan. While the Lao ones are definitely from Northern Laos where its much closer to Yunnan and Vietnam.

For example:

Distance to: Thai:CHI034

Spoiler

[B]0.03603398 Tai_Lue
0.03648115 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
0.03833166 Dai
0.04086186 Kinh_Vietnam
[B][/B]0.04418353 Gelao
[/B]0.04756641 Cambodian
[B]0.04944565 Maonan
[/B]0.05154224 Li
[B]0.05188973 Zhuang
[/B]0.05458160 Lahu
[B]0.05713478 Mulam
[/B]0.06041138 Lawa
0.06070113 Htin_Mal
0.06365815 Karen_Sgaw
0.06607086 Dong_Guizhou
0.06797966 Malay
0.07065725 Thai
0.07127702 Dong_Hunan
0.07249380 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.07629384 Luzon
0.07789329 Atayal
0.07892870 Mlabri
0.08123973 Hmong
0.08160234 Indonesian_Java
0.08272455 Indonesian_Bali
0.08294693 Vizayan
0.08379585 Han_Guangdong
0.08507695 Lebbo
0.08600078 Ami
0.08744066 Murut

Distance to: Thai:DCH007

Spoiler

[B]0.04232437 Kinh_Vietnam
0.04542723 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)[/B]
0.04601409 Lahu
[B]0.05198735 Gelao
[/B][B]0.05407750 Tai_Lue
[/B]0.05488001 Dong_Guizhou
[B]0.05550704 Dai
[B][/B]0.05667084 Mulam
[/B]0.05710420 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.05801079 Akha
[B]0.05801482 Zhuang
[/B]0.05919016 Dong_Hunan
0.05935490 Thai
0.06020816 Hmong
0.06059129 Karen_Sgaw
[B]0.06338171 Maonan
[/B]0.06408667 Han_Guangdong
0.06473404 Lawa
0.06533438 Miao
0.06823449 Li
0.06852769 Cambodian
0.07427350 Tujia
0.07602274 Han_Chongqing
0.07699813 Han_Fujian
0.07855148 She
0.08027896 Han_Sichuan
0.08098479 Burmese
0.08564762 Han_Hubei
0.09305897 Riang
0.09340587 Malay

Distance to: Laos32:Laos32

Spoiler

[B]0.02271138 Dai
0.02356469 Tai_Lue
0.02852465 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
0.03205832 Kinh_Vietnam[/B]
[B]0.03247581 Gelao
[/B]0.03445278 Li
[B]0.03477842 Maonan
[/B][B]0.03825324 Zhuang
[B][/B]0.04293043 Mulam
[/B]0.05300929 Lahu
0.05454011 Dong_Guizhou
0.06034399 Cambodian
0.06053842 Dong_Hunan
0.06338277 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.06734896 Lawa
0.06965392 Htin_Mal
0.07150671 Hmong
0.07223886 Karen_Sgaw
0.07433950 Atayal
0.07456155 Han_Guangdong
0.07640658 Luzon
0.08149475 Malay
0.08214493 Ami
0.08237513 Thai
0.08816401 Akha
0.08845272 Murut
0.08849971 Mlabri
0.08989610 Vizayan
0.09047281 Miao
0.09175008 Hawaiian

Distance to: Laos24:Laos24

Spoiler

[B]0.02472895 Dai
0.02737020 Tai_Lue[/B]
0.03163945 Li
[B]0.03383852 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
[B][/B]0.03430017 Maonan
[/B][B][B]0.03474384 Gelao
[/B][/B][B]0.03593769 Kinh_Vietnam
[B][/B]0.03746257 Zhuang
[B][/B]0.04369345 Mulam
[/B]0.05581708 Dong_Guizhou
0.05983533 Lahu
0.06133661 Dong_Hunan
0.06405953 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.06798126 Cambodian
0.07071379 Atayal
0.07388534 Hmong
0.07521506 Lawa
0.07523336 Han_Guangdong
0.07550565 Htin_Mal
0.07639271 Luzon
0.07789997 Ami
0.07923694 Karen_Sgaw
0.08747186 Murut
0.08789257 Malay
0.09040827 Thai
0.09181647 Miao
0.09229525 Vizayan
0.09334608 Akha
0.09447043 Mlabri
0.09481793 Lebbo

Another thing that's fascinating to me is how the Vietnamese are so close to these Northern Thai (Tai Yuan, Lue, Khuen, Yong, etc) and Lao samples that it convinces me the Kinh/Viets are actually Tai-Kadais or very close related groups to them who likely experience a linguistic shift to an Austroasiatic tongue. Vietnamese are literally the long lost cousins of the Northern Thais, Laos and other Tai-Kadai peoples! Smile

I want to mention that those Northern Thai and Lao gedmatch users scoring mostly Kinh Vietnam in their simulated G25 models doesn't necessarily mean they actually have recent Vietnamese ancestry. Rather, it shows that the Kinh/ethnic Vietnamese are largely predominantly Tai-Kadai and that's why using them can give very good distances for these Thai and Lao individuals and when the Tai Lue component is added in the run, the Kinh Vietnam component drastically decrease.

G25 distance of Viets:

Distance to: Kinh_Vietnam

Spoiler

[B]0.01093686 Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
0.01582397 Gelao
0.01698625 Tai_Lue
0.01995171 Zhuang
0.02038470 Dai[/B]
[B]0.02193853 Mulam
0.02427346 Maonan[/B]
0.02911786 Dong_Guizhou
0.03055380 Li
0.03527464 Dong_Hunan
0.03685476 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.03696558 Lahu
0.04527940 Hmong
0.04807757 Han_Guangdong
0.06266412 Miao
0.06530059 Akha
0.06568154 Karen_Sgaw
0.06627223 Lawa
0.06964796 Cambodian
0.07074879 She
0.07174049 Han_Chongqing
0.07275042 Han_Fujian
0.07287660 Tujia
0.08039915 Thai
0.08097469 Han_Sichuan
0.08278178 Atayal
0.08438026 Han_Hubei
0.08783757 Luzon
0.08930136 Htin_Mal
0.09337098 Ami

Distance to: Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)

Spoiler

[B]0.01093686 Kinh_Vietnam
0.01521441 Tai_Lue
0.01791376 Dai
0.01950009 Gelao
0.02204700 Zhuang
0.02464648 Maonan
0.02583755 Mulam[/B]
0.03042100 Li
0.03393293 Dong_Guizhou
0.03890898 Lahu
0.03994884 Dong_Hunan
0.04029366 Vietnamese_(Dong_Profile)
0.05008280 Hmong
0.05213754 Han_Guangdong
0.06512043 Karen_Sgaw
0.06514382 Lawa
0.06749285 Miao
0.06763971 Cambodian
0.06903364 Akha
0.07558323 She
0.07590985 Han_Chongqing
0.07708645 Han_Fujian
0.07788380 Tujia
0.07929379 Thai
0.07961465 Atayal
0.08416007 Luzon
0.08549291 Htin_Mal
0.08580005 Han_Sichuan
0.08902271 Han_Hubei
0.09037320 Ami

G25 model of Viets:

Target: Kinh_Vietnam
Distance: 1.2674% / 0.01267422
[B]79.2 Dai
[/B]12.8 Han_Zhejiang
8.0 Karen_Sgaw

Target: Vietnamese_(Kinh_Profile)
Distance: 1.2986% / 0.01298634
[B]82.4 Dai
[/B]8.8 Han_Zhejiang
8.8 Karen_Sgaw

Compared with the Tai-Kadai speakers: its interesting that the Zhuang and Mulam have more Han-related ancestry than Viets despite the latter being much more Sinicized culturally.

Target: Tai_Lue
Distance: 1.3872% / 0.01387189
[B]93.6 Dai
[/B]3.6 Karen_Sgaw
2.8 Han_Zhejiang

Target: Maonan
Distance: 2.0065% / 0.02006524
[B]90.0 Dai
[/B]10.0 Han_Zhejiang

Target: Zhuang
Distance: 1.5161% / 0.01516133
[B]82.8 Dai
[/B]17.2 Han_Zhejiang

Target: Gelao
Distance: 1.5143% / 0.01514341
[B]81.6 Dai
[/B]10.6 Han_Zhejiang
7.8 Karen_Sgaw

Target: Mulam
Distance: 1.4439% / 0.01443882
[B]77.4 Dai
[/B]22.6 Han_Zhejiang

 
Posted : 02/03/2022 2:19 pm
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@qamzardaan

 

I know this forum doesn't allow taxonomy or phenotypical discussion, but I want to mention that this seems to correlate with genetics. 

Many people are interested, you just have to know who it is. Do what you want to do. I'm assuming tai people looked like this in NE Thailand. 

image

 
Posted : 03/03/2022 12:45 am
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@zexsypmp23 

Oh sorry. I actually copy my whole post from another forum that doesn't allow taxonomy or racial classification. I didn't edit my post here. 

Yeah but that one looks like she has some Caucasoid admixture. Most Northern Thai/Lanna or Lao from Northern Isaan look pure East Asian-ish Dai/Viet-like.

 
Posted : 03/03/2022 1:35 am
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this vid was interesting:

Southeast Asian and Austronesian component has Hoabinhian/australoid blended into the category.. though both originated from South China

A 233CE Thailand sample result from Genoplot:

 
Posted : 03/03/2022 3:10 am
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@cheesefries WTF is Austronesian called ancient east asian?

 
Posted : 03/03/2022 11:46 pm
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