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Is China the Sick men of Asia

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Japan had a much larger head start due to the Meiji reforms that industrialized the country in the 1800s. China on the other hand was divided and conquered by Western powers and was much less technologically advanced and used to be known as the "Sick man of Asia".

Old cultures carry lots of cultural baggage. They ignored western technology as degenerate, got beaten by the more forward-thinking Japanese, and got caught up in the great socialist experiment.

Right before the Opium Wars, China ruled 1/3 of the world's population and had the largest economy and land-based empire. And all the European powers at the time basically gang up on China.



1. France claimed Shanghai.
2. Germany claimed Qingdao.
3. Japan claimed Manchuria.
4. Portugal claimed Macau.
5. UK Claimed Hong Kong.
6. Italy claimed Tianjin.
7. Russia claimed Shenyang.

Historically China has been the center of the world, so them getting beaten that badly was a huge shock to them. China's really touchy about the century of shame from Opium Wars until the Communist takeover.

And China has managed to raise more people out of poverty more quickly than any country probably in history, whereas the US hasn't even cleaned up its inner cities in the same amount of time.

MERS originated in the Middle East, it had mortality around 35% which is particularly nasty (high enough to kill, but low enough to keep the host alive to transfer for awhile). Also, MERS symptoms are often mistaken for other less deadly infections. Many people may die at home without being tested before the authorities notice. That could also be exacerbated by the fact the carrier was in/near China's little Africa (Guangzhou) which has a sizable population of government-evading illegal immigrants who won't submit to health checks for fear of deportation.

SARS only killed the Chinese.






Most people aren't aware that one of the major legs of the Asian SARS outbreak came from a nurse who treated a virologist. Swine flu pandemic claimed fewer casualties worldwide than Mexican traffic in one single year.

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Copied from Sean from TA

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Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
Why would you consider China as center of the world? Ever?

While Europe battled and traded, China was the only civilisation that had grown completely independently of the west. For centuries, it ranked amongst the most civilised places on the planet, responsible for many innovations that would not be “discovered” in the west until hundreds of years later.

 
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Back in a day, Roman Republic & Empire was (if not better) equal with Chinese civilization, later on durin Medievals, Byzantine (Roman-Greek) Empire & Arab civilization was (if not better) equal to Chinese civilization, so they were never actually THE center of the world, but ONE OF THE CENTERS.

Many in China like to claim that their country has seen 4,000 years of continuous civilisation. In truth, new evidence hints that Chinese civilisation may even be older than that. Classical China was basically Rome in the East. The Roman Empire lasted a millennium, after all.

They had some decent advancements, they almost themselves went into an industrial revolution in the Song dynasty. It just didn't happen because they had an economy based on the much more efficient rice farming as opposed to wheat and other grains in neighbouring India.

Unfortunately, they had no economic rivals, and therefore no reason to do costly renovations and cultural changes to start industrialising. Europe, by being more of a clusterfuck of various states, had reason to industrialise, and did so.

The Chinese started exploring the west in 200 BC and found their way to Rome. The empires of China and Rome influenced each other in more ways than you’d expect.

 
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Also one should know: from 1st till 4th century AD Roman Empire ruled every fourth person on this planet.

The Roman Empire is unironically the most overrated civilisation of all time. Roman Empire really didn't do shit and most of what it had was copied from Greeks anyway. The British Empire dwarfed your achievements by conquering 1/3 of the entire planet.

Papers which are obviously crucial to the modern civilisations were first invented in China during Han dynasty (Romans were forced to write on fucking stones or parchment or whatever shit as they couldn't invent papers at all).

GDP of Han dynasty is said to be far much bigger than that of Roman empire.

Han dynasty was superior in military too considering that Huns who beat those Germanic "barbarians" making them mass-immigrate into Roman empire were said to be the same as Xiongnus who were horse-riding nomads living in the Northeast Asia that got beaten by Han dynasty being forced to move to the far west.

They also had a lot of exploration with those really big ships; however, they largely remained shut ins. The Chinese fleet of Zheng He (which was 100 years earlier and WAY more advanced than the Christopher Columbus ship) simply sat and rot because the Emperor didn't care about exploring the world and wanted China to have an isolationist policy.

Chinese civilisation was ethnically homogeneous (although most of its population in the north had been racially mongrelised by hundreds of years of rape and enslavement by hordes of different barbarians by the time of Tang dynasty), whereas Rome was a multicultural society (some of your Roman Emperors were not even white lel, Philip the Arab, Caracalla, Maxentius, Elagabalus, Gordian I, Aemilianus etc.)

Is there any other place in history where the indigenous population intentionally tried to create a multicultural society? Nope.

 
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Dont get me wrong, I respect Ancient China, but it seems to me you're making excuses for them today, let me be very simple; they're COMMMIE BASTARDS, lying-twisted-hypocrite COMMIE bastards (their communist party). Chinese shithole is nowhere near that, not 50 years ago, not even today.

China's economy is hardly Communist, as soon as they lifted commie restrictions, millions were lifted out of poverty. China has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 40 years than the rest of the world has in all of human history.

China is based at managing their own country (authoritarian rule suits the Chinese population), but they can't keep their tendrils from the western world, they are immigrating en masse to the west and buying up all the property they can. They are just as bad as negroes, Muslims or spics, probably even worse because it is a lot harder to convince someone to deport their peaceful Chinese neighbour than a bunch of savages from the Middle East.

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did you write all of that? be honest 

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I copied it obviously Smile

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