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Can Moros from Mindanao and Sulu speak Bahasa Malay, Indonesian?

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Just wondering since they are Muslims and live very close to Malaysia and Indonesia, can they also speak Bahasa Malay and Indonesian?

Also do Tausug, Maguindanao, Maranao, etc. feel closer/more in common with Malaysians and Indonesians than to Philo Christians who are their countrymen?

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Yes, they speak Malay, they use a Malay-Muslim Script Jawi in their writings, it's different from the Tagalog Baybayin based on a Brahmic-Javanese Abugida. They still retain the use of their unique script whereas Tagalogs lost the usage of Baybayin.

Tausugs are classified as a Visayan people, same as the Christian Butuan, Cebuano and Hiligaynon. Tausugs are pro-Filipino since Filipinos are pursuing the historical claim of the Sultans of Sulu over Borneo using Filipino diplomats and former Dictator Marcos planned an invasion of Sabah in the name of the Sulu Sultan. 

Whereas Maguindanao and Maranao people don't speak a Philippine-Visayan language and are more related to the Sulawesians of Indonesia and the Sultanates of Mindanao (Lanao and Maguindanao) was once allied with and under a federation with the Sultanate of Ternate.

 

Though all mentioned (In fact all Southeast Asian sultantes) speak Malay and Bahasa as the common lingua franca.

 

 

 

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What about South Thailanders? The people of Pattani? Do they speak Malay? Do they use Jawi or akson thai?

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Only the locals of former Pattani kingdom and maybe some parts of Satun speak Malay as they are ethnically Malay themselves. They have their own dialects which is different from standard Bahasa Malay but they can still understand it from my experiences interacting with them (I know a little Bahasa Indonesia and I speak it and they seem to understand it easily and Bahasa Indonesia is actually a form of Bahasa Malay from what I heard). 

The rest of Southern Thailand cannot speak Malay. They are Buddhists and speak a Southern Thai dialect instead.

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Is there a Thai version of Spanish Mudejar art/architecture?

Christianized Muslim culture.

 

For example here's La Giralda in Spain

 

 

It was converted from a Mosque into a Cathedral and the Mosque's Minaret became a Church Bell Tower. Notice the Arab arches in the bell tower but there are also European style statues on top?

 

 

Intramuros which was built over the ruins of the Muslim Bruneian-colony of the Kingdom of Maynila, has the church of San Agustin and its a Christian church guarded by Taoist Fu Dogs.

 

Lol is there a Thai equivalent of Mudejar architecture? Buddhicized Islamic art?

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Sorry, I can't help you.

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They consider themselves more related to Malaysians & Indonesians. 

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Can they also speak Bahasa Malay/Bahasa Indonesia?

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@qamzardaan

either ilongopo, bisaya or cebuano 

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So they can't speak Bahasa Malay or Bahasa Indonesia?

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I have friends from there, the ordinary people speak their native languages , Tausug, Sama-Bajau, Lanao and Maguindanaoan, but the muslim aristocracy can speak Malay since they can trace their descent from Malacca. The Sultans of Sulu, Maguindanao and Lanao can trace their descent to Sultan Kabungsuan of Johor and Johor is a place in Malaysia.

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Oh wow you have some Muslim friends? Can some of them speak some Bahasa Malay/Bahasa Indonesia even if they are not fluent?

I think the Abu Sayyaf members and individuals like Nur Misuari can speak Bahasa Malay/Indonesia?

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Both Christian and Muslim Mindanaoans yes. The Muslim upperclass can speak Malay. Their royal history "Tarsilla" is written in Malay. Ordinary people can not so much speak it though.

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I see. Are Christian Mindanaoans recent migrants from the Visayas?

Is someone like Nur Misuari, the Ampatuans part of the Muslim upper class or royal family? They should be able to speak Malay then.

Ok. So let say if you met an ordinary local in Mindanao and Sulu who speak Malay/Indo very fluently, is it very likely that he/she used to live, work or study in Malaysia/Indonesia?

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Christian migrants are mostly Hiligaynons and Cebuanos from the Visayas but some native Mindanao ethnicities like Butuanons and Tausugs  are already speaking a language classified under the Visayan language family. 

 

Nur Misuari can speak Malay the Malaysian government trained him and funded his anti Philippine war. Its ironic that he's Tausug since Marcos used Tausugs to try to conquer Sabah from Malaysia in the name of the Sulu Sultan, in "Operation Merdaka".

 

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they also speak arabic

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True but only a little.

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Some of them are fluent

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The border between Sabah, Malaysia and Sulu, Philippines is porous there are a lot of identity switching between Malaysian and Filipino among the native Tausug and Bajau people there. The Sulu Sultanate encompassed territory on Northeast Borneo (Sabah) and Sulu archipelago. But its' capital, Jolo is in what is now Philippines.

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