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Human Biology [Solved] Filipinos have the same ancestors as Indians & Europeans.

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Bacano G
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Neanderthals are ugly 

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We really do not know what they look like to begin with but I'm guessing that their appearance is as pleasing to look at when compared to our human ancestors a thousands of years ago.

 

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it's a hybrid between a caveman and a modern human.

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Neanderthals are caveman, they spent a lot of their time in caves and a lot of their artifacts and genetic material were found inside those caves.

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they use tools like us 

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The original article is https://www.larenalab.com/post/press-release-dna-study-reveals-evidence-for-the-presence-of-islander-denisovans-in-the-philippines

It caught my attention when scientists labelled regular or lowland Filipinos as the people of East-Asian ancestry.

 

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I think they mean Austronesians mixed with the Melanesians. 

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@james scientists referred to Filipinos.

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“This admixture led to variable levels of Denisovan ancestry in the genomes of Philippine Negritos and Papuans,” said Mattias Jakobsson of Uppsala University, Sweden. “In Island Southeast Asia, Philippine Negritos later admixed with East Asian migrants who possess little Denisovan ancestry, which subsequently diluted their archaic ancestry

East Asians refer to Filipinos not Chinese.

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@james That's what I mean, East Asians refer to Filipinos.

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“Having been influenced by Austronesian-speaking peoples of East Asian descent for many centuries now,

Chinese don't speak Austronesian

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@james "The Cordillerans migrated into the Philippines prior to the arrival of rice agriculture, where some remain as the least admixed East Asians carrying an ancestry shared by all Austronesian-speaking populations, thereby challenging an exclusive out-of-Taiwan model of joint farming–language–people dispersal. Altogether, our findings portray the Philippines as a crucial gateway, with a multilayered history, that ultimately changed the genetic landscape of the Asia-Pacific region."

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https://www.pnas.org/content/118/13/e2026132118

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@missmaples19 , So these Cordillerans precede the arrival of the general or main bulk of the Austronesian migrations (the Cordillerans themselves were likely Austronesian, just earlier Austronesian migrants). I'm not surprised by this. Often a large massive (world scale) migration is preceded by (many) smaller migrations or even large ones that no show no more archaeological, anthropological, or genetic evidence. It reminds me of how Native Americans migrated from Asia to the Americas through the Bering Strait. In the past, it's often described as one neat migration crossing. But it's more likely that there were several migration crossings, but there were a few super large ones that would eventually make up the bulk of today's various Native American Indians. There may have even been migrations from Asia, Oceania, Europe, Middle East, and Africa to the Americas apart from the Bering Strait route.

Another example is the European migration of Columbus' and those after him.  Columbus and his crew were not the first Europeans to arrive in the Americas, but it was this migration that would leave a permanent genetic and cultural imprint in the Americas.  But we all know that the Scandinavians or Vikings arrived in America several centuries before Columbus, but the Scandinavian migration did not lead to a continuous and permanent migration or settlement, nor did they appear to interbreed much with the Native American Indians, therefore their genetic and cultural imprint in the Americas is virtually none today (save for a few archaeological artifacts and structures), but it doesn't mean that the Scandinavians did not have a migration to the Americas.  The Scandinavian migration was actually a pretty sizeable one that lasted a century or two from what I know.  So before the main European migration that came about as a result of Columbus' arrival, there was a smaller migration to the Americas by the Scandinavians, and this type of migration pattern should be more of the norm in anthroscience studies and dogma.   We should not be looking for one large scale migration that left a permanent genetic and cultural impact, we should also be looking for smaller earlier ones that may have left little to no genetic or cultural impact, that's the point I'm trying to make. 

Another thing to consider is that the main migration (that is larger and arrived later) can often erase or minimize the genetic or cultural imprint of those that came before them.     

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@prau123 Filipinos descend from Cordillerans though.

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@missmaples19 , Thanks, I read the whole study now.  I misread that excerpt.

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I don't get it? The article refers to the Aeta people, not the Austronesian people. 

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AETA people has the most Denisovan genes while Austronesians have a sprinkle of Denisovan.

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Denisovans may have actually arrived earlier to Philippines than our human species since Austronesians only arrived around 3,500 yrs ago.

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There are new species of ancient humans that's discovered in Luzon. I don't know if Homo luzonensis preceded Denisovans.

"The small-bodied hominin, named Homo luzonensis, lived on the island of Luzon at least 50,000 to 67,000 years ago. The hominin—identified from a total of seven teeth and six small bones—hosts a patchwork of ancient and more advanced features. The landmark discovery, announced in Nature on Wednesday, makes Luzon the third Southeast Asian island in the last 15 years to bear signs of unexpectedly ancient human activity."

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/new-species-ancient-human-discovered-luzon-philippines-homo-luzonensis

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Philippines was far enough away from the mainland continent of Asia and therefore it was an ideal place for a specie such as Homo Luzonensis to thrive in an isolated rainforest on Luzon for several thousands of years without contact from outsiders. They were on Luzon probably before the arrival of the Denisovans but with more research we will know more of their history timeline. Another possible Hominid group that could have coexisted with Homo Luzonensis on Luzon were the Homo Erectus group but so far their fossils have only been found in Indonesia however with more research and excavation scientist will one day discover their fossils. Homo Luzonensis went extinct even before the arrival of the first human specie in Philippines. The earliest human specie so far discovered was the Tabon Man which was dated at 47,000 ago on Palawan Island.

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Aeta people are considered Austronesians because they speak an Austronesian language. Btw, Austronesian people is actually a linguistic classification.

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Aeta people are classified as Melanesians or Australoids by scientific definition. 

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Aeta are classified linguistically as Austronesians but they are racially classified as Melanesians or Australoid.

 

 

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