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Filipinos monopolized Asian trade & the Philippines was Asia-Pac's financial capital

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Rene B. Sarabia Jr
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Originally Posted by Doraemon View Post
Emerging of the new trading network. Rise of Hội An and Phố Hiến

By the time stability and prosperity returned to the Red River Delta in the mid-sixteenth century under the new coastal Mạc dynasty (1528–92), including renewed ceramic production, a total change had occurred in the international trade system. The Portuguese had taken Malacca, and a new commercial regime was developing. As Pires noted for both Đai Viêt and Champa, they played little direct role in the new system. By the middle of the sixteenth century, according to da Cruz, Đai Viêt, although doing well, was not part of the international economic system. Pires and da Cruz mentioned no ports of any consequence on the eastern seaboard of the Southeast Asian mainland. Hence we arrive at the “Mac gap” and the disappearance of the Jiaozhi Yang system. 

Through much of the sixteenth century, the commercial situation around the South China Sea remained quite fluid, with the ever dynamic wokou (mixed Japanese and Chinese pirates) and traders active there. Eventually, in the second half of the century, the Portuguese set themselves up in Macao and the Spanish in Manila, as the Ming were opening up trade on their southeast coast and Japan was emerging from its civil wars. 

In the midst of all this, a new commercial system began to form along the coasts of Đai Viêt and the remaining Champa polities (Kauthara and Panduranga), just as the Vietnamese southern push began to get underway in earnest. 

In the south, instead of a port reappearing at the “New District” (Xinzhou, or Thi Nai) in what is now Quy Nhơn, where one had existed since the twelfth century, the new port of Hôi An rose at the pre-twelfth century port of Jiuzhou (the “Old District”), where the Cham polity of Amaravati had done its trading. Here Chinese and Japanese would gather to trade with each other, as well as with Vietnamese, other Southeast Asians, and Europeans. 

Encouraged by the rising Nguyên polity on Đai Viêt’s southern border, this new trading regime expanded greatly. To the north, the inland port of Phố Hiên and the capital of Đai Viêt itself would eventually join the new seventeenth-century international trade system, although without long-term success. 

Thus, for a hundred years, from the mid-fifteenth century to the mid-sixteenth, events in Đai Viêt seem to have controlled the Jiaozhi Yang system, both positively and negatively, eventually leading to its destruction. Where Thi Nai and Champa had been the most important part of the system through the first two thirds of the fifteenth century, Lê Thánh Tông’s strong and pragmatic bureaucratic state seems to have taken control of the system over the final third of the century and into the early sixteenth, eliminating Champa as a major competitor and opening the way for Đai Viêt’s own productivity to feed directly into the system. Though we have no knowledge of customs duties or government fees, the profits from this system must have helped underwrite the expenses of the burgeoning state. This all collapsed, internally and externally, apparently following the spiraling demands placed on key local areas under Uy Muc Ðế and his grasping relatives, and any hope of revival was crushed by the political chaos that followed. By the time the Mac were established on the throne, the international commercial system itself was changing dramatically to the detriment of Đai Viêt’s participation. It was only toward the end of the sixteenth century that the maritime system reformulated itself, now focused on Hôi An in the south.

And this is we were we enter in. 

And so...
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In 1858, when the Philippines was a Spanish colony, France and Spain invaded Vietnam. A number of French troops involved in this campaign became casualties as a result of contracting illnesses such as cholera, dysentery, tropical diseases, and rickets. In order to deal with the manpower shortage which resulted from this situation, the French consul in Manila, the colonial capital of the Philippines, was given permission by the Spanish government to recruit nine hundred Indians, as Filipinos were then known, for the French navy and a sufficient number of men to form an infantry company and a cavalry squadron. It is said that one-third of the entire French force in this campaign consisted of mercenaries from the Philippines, who distinguished themselves in action and were well adapted to the environment. 
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Vietnam became a French territory because Filipinos enlisted [The French troops originally intended to go there died, being unaccustomed to the climate.]

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Dang we practically ruled the seas then.

We were Sea-Lords (overseers of maritime traffic) at Mallaca.

The Luzon spice trader Regimo de Raja, based in Malacca, was highly influential and the Portuguese appointed him as Temenggong (Sea Lord) of the Muslims of Malacca.

Source: Wilkinson, R J. An Abridged Malay-English Dictionary (romanised). London: Macmillan and Co, 1948. Print, 291.

Likewise, we had commercial dominance over Japan then (who knew?)

The Ming Empire treated Luzon traders more favorably than Japan by allowing them to trade with China once every two years, while Japan was only allowed to trade once every 10 years. 

Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Tondo

Also, we controlled the trade between the Americas and Southeast Asia.

We were so pimpin.

It's about time we take back our central position among the world's commerce.
We should start by re-establishing our dominance in the region.

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Wealth was concentrated in the port cities. 

And yes Filipino churches during that time were representative of that trade.

The Church of Paoay for example:

Is modeled after the Aztec temples of Mexico

Likewise, Earthquake Baroque was imported over from Guatemala

La Merced Church from Guatemala


It's the same Earthquak Baroque style in the Philippines

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If Filipinos had monopolized trade, why was the colony dependent of Mexican subsidy until the late 1700s? 

It's more of like Nueva Espana actually had the monopoly. They were the crown jewel of the Spanish Empire. Which is why Spain was so bitter when they lost their American territories and the Philippines got the brunt of it. The Philippines has always remained the backwater colony. The Philippines fared better than other European colonies in Southeast Asia but compared to Spain's other colonies, the Philippines was a backwater. It was the "boondocks" of the empire - hardly any Spanish settlers, economically lagging compared to her sisters... The Spanish mercantilism really ruined the islands' economy. Before the Kastilas/Mexican criollos came, early Philippine inhabitants enjoyed free trade

The Philippines was dependent on subsidies because it was engulfed in wars with its neighbors. I.E. the Castilian war against the Sultanate of Brunei, war in Ternate and Mollucas as well as war against Chinese pirates like Limahong. Due to this, the Philippines had no choice but be subsidized. However, as for the commerce in the Philippines, most of the ships in the Manila Galleon trade were built in the Philippines (At Cavite and Bicol) and most of the sailors and traders were Filipinos. Filipinos had the initiative in the trade. 

However, I agree with you in that the Filipinos enjoyed free trade before the Spaniards came. Lucoes traders were doing business in Malacca and were soldiers in Myanmar before the Spanish came and disrupted the flow of migration and trade.

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Originally Posted by McDreamyMD View Post
LOL at the post by Selurong at 9Apr2014 What the fvck?!? You guys keep making shyet up. 

The reason why Filipinos were in Vietnam had nothing to do with avenging the Chams.

The French used a Spanish Catholic priest call for help because 2 Spanish missionaries were killed (who came via Manila) to start the war with Nguyens in 1860's and thus a regiment (eg under a colonel) was asked to provide from Manila (majority of them were Kapampangans and Tagalogs). Note that there was only ONE real consulate in Manila prior to it being opened in 1820-40's (not withstanding the fact that in late 1700's French naval assets ie La Perouse Expedition, were using Manila as stop over and base), it's owned by French and the very first company given license to start a company by the Spanish govt. in Philippine was French.  

Note the Spanish used Filipinos in several campaigns into SEAsia: supported Cambodian king power struggle, used to defend Macau on behalf of Portuguese against the Dutch, several campaigns into Moluccas/Central Indonesia/Borneo, attack on Malacca, small garrison force in Taiwan, and guard/military posts in Guam and Palau. Dozen of other punitive campaigns, usually had Filipino troops. Not only that expeditions into the Americas including as slaves in ships.

Nothing to do with avenging anyone, it's more they were conscripted or hired to do the job. 

As for "Visayans instrumental..." let's be specific: Cebuanos. Cebuanos were the biggest allies of the Spanish and used in conquering everyone else. Cebuano allied chiefs and their constituencies were taxe free for a long time because of that. 

I know about the Spanish-Filipino military actions in Southeast Asia, in a way is but an extension of our previous role as Lucoes to be military men or mercenaries in the region but I don't know much about our military action in the Americas.

I heard that Manilamen were one of the soldiers that helped America in the American-British war and that Filipino descendants from Western Mexico near Acapulco aided in the Mexican revolution, but I haven't heard of Filipinos being used by the Spanish in campaigns at America. Can you point me to a text or something?

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