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Native Americans are genetically very divergent and distant from Mongoloids

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Qamzardaan
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@prau123 @selurong @rodriguez @jose

This would probably shocked you but it is really astonishing. Native Americans are even more genetically distant to Mongoloids than Somalians are to Caucasoids. 

Even Somalians who are around 50-60% African 40-50% West Eurasian are genetically closer to Caucasoids including Europeans than Natives are to Mongoloids including the Filipinos (Luzon, Igorot) with the exception of WHG who is very distinct from modern day Europeans and Papuans who are also genetically divergent from other East Eurasians.

Just look at the distance between Somalians to Caucasoids 

Distance to: Somali

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0.31008505 Egyptian
0.31024219 Moroccan_North
0.38220504 Saudi
0.42616231 Iranian_Lor
0.43407284 Balochi
0.45444738 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.45666064 Chechen
0.45743214 Italian_Piedmont
0.45778583 Georgian_Imer
0.46148266 Uzbek
0.47168355 TUR_Barcin_N
0.48169861 Chuvash
0.48194051 Udmurt
0.48217843 English
0.48417681 Ukrainian
0.48670913 Swedish
0.48875008 Finnish_East
0.49331975 Saami
0.49339684 Mari
0.50788577 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.56054848 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.61684021 WHG

And compare that to the distance of the Mixe, a Native American ethnic group from Southern Mexico, to Mongoloids

Distance to: Mixe

Spoiler

0.37644154 Chukchi
0.48445949 Selkup
0.48583510 Kazakh
0.49031685 Khanty
0.49669710 Mansi
0.50377550 Hazara
0.52128506 JPN_Jomon (Jomon)
0.52144861 Uzbek
0.52337474 Japanese
0.52582394 Han_Shanxi
0.53767448 Aeta
0.54343749 Onge
0.55219473 Mari
0.55245465 Malay
0.56022691 Hawaiian
0.56183144 Bonda
0.56419493 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.56651590 TWN_Hanben (ancient Austronesian from Taiwan; ancestors of modern Taiwanese Aborigines)
0.56779663 Luzon
0.57584046 Igorot
0.58919769 Paniya
0.86612252 Papuan

Heck even the Fulani, a nomadic African ethnic group from the Sahel, who are around 75% Negroid and 25% West Eurasian are genetically closer to Caucasoids than Native Americans are to Mongoloids.

Look at the distance of the Fulani to Caucasoids

Distance to: Fulani

Spoiler

0.36906761 Moroccan_North
0.39096966 Egyptian
0.47267699 Saudi
0.49926623 Iranian_Lor
0.50130004 Balochi
0.51635162 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.52216176 Italian_Piedmont
0.52353960 Chechen
0.52549412 Georgian_Imer
0.53757744 TUR_Barcin_N
0.53857094 Udmurt
0.53875018 Chuvash
0.54156166 English
0.54364709 Ukrainian
0.54599877 Swedish
0.54635408 Finnish_East
0.54825287 Saami
0.56333378 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.60891064 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.65699103 WHG

And then compare them to the distant of Natives to Mongoloids

Distance to: Mixe (a Native American ethnic group from Southern Mexico)

Spoiler

0.37644154 Chukchi
0.48445949 Selkup
0.48583510 Kazakh
0.49031685 Khanty
0.49669710 Mansi
0.50377550 Hazara
0.52128506 JPN_Jomon
0.52144861 Uzbek
0.52337474 Japanese
0.52582394 Han_Shanxi
0.53767448 Aeta
0.54343749 Onge
0.55219473 Mari
0.55245465 Malay
0.56022691 Hawaiian
0.56183144 Bonda
0.56419493 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.56651590 TWN_Hanben (ancient Austronesian from Taiwan; ancestors of modern Taiwanese Aborigines)
0.56779663 Luzon
0.57584046 Igorot
0.58919769 Paniya

Distance to: Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from the Andean regions of South America)

Spoiler

0.40837100 Chukchi
0.51588562 Selkup
0.51699985 Kazakh
0.52032387 Khanty
0.52642799 Mansi
0.53245209 Hazara
0.54845510 Uzbek
0.55088836 JPN_Jomon
0.55607654 Japanese
0.55905353 Han_Shanxi
0.56551414 Aeta
0.56945718 Onge
0.57871252 Mari
0.58086856 Malay
0.58679584 Bonda
0.58859514 Hawaiian
0.59292442 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.59508348 TWN_Hanben (ancient Austronesian from Taiwan; ancestors of modern Taiwanese Aborigines)
0.59616315 Luzon
0.60375133 Igorot
0.61148765 Paniya

What I am demonstrating is that the fact that even Somalis who are half SSA or Fulanis who are around 75% African are genetically closer to Caucasoids than Native Americans are to Mongoloids suggested that Natives are really divergent and different from "fellow Mongoloids" after 20,000 years of separation.

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ASIANS 4 BLACK LIVES MATTER 黑人的命也是命 avatar
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Okay

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Amado
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Native Americans are mongoloid though

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They aren't really Mongoloids though if you go by genetic sense and how heavily drifted they are. They genetically diverged from Mongoloids around 20,000 years ago. Also they have around 30-40% ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) ancestry or a bit more, something most Mongoloids literally have none or close to zero amounts, with the exception of Siberians and Central Asians (who are heavily Caucasoid admixed anyways). ANE is a very ancient Caucasoid genetic component with around 1/4 East Eurasian (a genetic term for those in the Mongoloid, Negrito, Australoid mega clusters). And Native Americans shared this ANE component with South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc), Europeans, Central Asians (who are a mix between Caucasoid and Mongoloids), Middle Easterners and Caucasians (people from places like Georgia, Armenia), something that most Mongoloids including Filipinos don't have.

Aren't you shocked that even Somalians or Fulanis (an African ethnic group with around 25% Caucasoid admixture) are genetically closer to Caucasoids than Native Americans are to Mongoloids? Please take a look at the genetic distance that I posted in the OP.

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@qamzardaan

North Amerindians are about 60% mongoloid 

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@qamzardaan

 

 

 

Siberia to Alaska/Canada was not only an inhospitable place to thrive for the Native American Indians but it was also not a center of trade between the Old and New World. Native American Indians in Alaska/Canada never developed a network of trade with their ancestors in Siberia and other Mongoloids and therefore they rarely interbred with Old World ethnic groups.   The population in the Arctic Circle is rather small to begin with for any kind of interaction and interbreeding at a high frequency.  Historically Beringia was just a landmass route to cross over to the New World.

 

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@qamzardaan

I did and Thank you. I can tell that you have been studying race for years. 

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