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Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloid groups to Native Americans.

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Qamzardaan
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@prau123

Also are you mindblown or astonished that Somalians who are around 50-60% African 40-50% West Eurasian are genetically closer to Caucasoids including Europeans than Natives are to Mongoloids including the Filipinos (Luzon, Igorot)?

                                                                                      Distance of Somali to Caucasoids:

0.31008505 Egyptian
0.31024219 Moroccan_North
0.38220504 Saudi
0.42616231 Iranian_Lor
0.43407284 Balochi
0.45444738 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.45666064 Chechen
0.45743214 Italian_Piedmont
0.45778583 Georgian_Imer
0.46148266 Uzbek
0.47168355 TUR_Barcin_N
0.48169861 Chuvash
0.48194051 Udmurt
0.48217843 English
0.48417681 Ukrainian
0.48670913 Swedish
0.48875008 Finnish_East
0.49331975 Saami
0.49339684 Mari
0.50788577 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.56054848 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.61684021 WHG                                                                                                                                                     

Compare that distance of Native Americans to Mongoloids

Distance of Mixe (a Native ethnic group from Southern Mexico) to Mongoloids

0.37644154 Chukchi
0.48445949 Selkup
0.48583510 Kazakh
0.49031685 Khanty
0.49669710 Mansi
0.50377550 Hazara
0.52128506 JPN_Jomon (Jomon)
0.52144861 Uzbek
0.52337474 Japanese
0.52582394 Han_Shanxi
0.53767448 Aeta
0.54343749 Onge
0.55219473 Mari
0.55245465 Malay
0.56022691 Hawaiian
0.56183144 Bonda
0.56419493 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.56651590 TWN_Hanben (ancient Austronesian from Taiwan; ancestors of modern Taiwanese Aborigines)
0.56779663 Luzon
0.57584046 Igorot
0.58919769 Paniya
0.86612252 Papuan

Look at how the number in terms of distance between Somalians and Caucasoids are lower than those of Natives (Mixe) and Mongoloids. 

 
Posted : 10/11/2020 3:28 am
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nenabunena
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@qamzardaan. Idk, we're the old world, the natives are from the new world and we're isolated from the old world for a long time.  So even if Mongoloids and Caucasoids look phenotypically different, they've been interacting for a long time, especially with India.  Indian influence like buddhism has reached as far as China, Japan and Korea, and even reached the Philippines with Hinduism.  So they've had a big impact on almost everyone, even Europe, soap, shampoo, tea, spice, even the mathematical concept of 0 came from India. 

 
Posted : 10/11/2020 3:40 am
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I see. So you don't find it surprising that Natives are very genetically distant from Mongoloids including Filos due to isolation?

Btw, Indians are not fully Caucasoids but almost a balanced 50%-50% mix between Caucasoid and AASI (Ancient Ancestral South Indian), an Australoid/Veddoid-like population which is indigenous to South Asia.

Even the majority of SE Asians today have Indian ancestry which also brings both Caucasoid and AASI admixture to them.

Even some Filipinos seem to have Indian ancestry:

This Vizayan individual actually score close to 4% Caucasoid. This result also seem to have actual minor Indian ancestry as seen by the Latvian (represented the Steppe ancestry) and Baloch (Iran_Neolithic). What's interesting is the Latvian is higher than Baloch.. which suggests maybe Northern Indian/Pakistani-like ancestry instead of South Indian? Also 5.6% AASI so it seems the Indian admixture is legit.

Target: Vizayan
Distance: 1.6456% / 0.01645559
63.0 Igorot
14.8 Murut
5.6 Simulated_AASI
5.4 MYS_LN
3.8 Papuan
3.6 Han_Guangdong
2.2 Latvian
1.6 Balochi

Replacing Balochi with Shahr_Sokhta_I (its another Iran_Neo component): Now this result is around 3.6% Caucasoid with the Spanish showing up at 0.4%. Its funny how this Philippine result is scoring higher Iran_N and Latvian/Steppe/NE Euro than Spanish admixture lol.

Target: Vizayan
Distance: 1.6604% / 0.01660389
61.4 Igorot
16.8 Murut
5.8 Simulated_AASI
4.8 MYS_LN
3.8 Han_Guangdong
3.8 Papuan
2.4 Latvian
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
0.4 Spanish_Murcia

I am actually intrigued to find a Pinoy result that score actual South Asian admixture and this result doesn't seem recent. It's fascinating because you hardly here about Indians in precolonial Philippines although there are historically Indicized kingdoms there before Spanish colonialism.

It's as if this result is a relic from the precolonial times when the Indicized kingdoms were still ruling the archipelago lol. Maybe, there are more Pino results like these in isolated areas of the country where the Spanish didn't have much genetic impact or the areas that used to be under Hindu -Buddhist influence.

 
Posted : 10/11/2020 3:58 am
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@qamzardaan

 

In ancient history, Somalia was one of the center of commerce therefore they had several foreigners traveling and trading by land and sea to the country.  The people here would have been receiving Europeans, Indians, Arabs, Northern Africans, so forth...  This country is the main Horn of Africa.  Even in recent times, European countries were there. 

 

 
Posted : 10/11/2020 4:04 am
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Yep. Also natives separated from the rest of Asia for at least 20,000 years, so that could be the reason.

Heck even the Fulani, a nomadic African ethnic group from the Sahel, who are around 75% Negroid and 25% West Eurasian/Caucasoid are still a bit closer to Caucasoids than Native Americans are to Mongoloids: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_people

Look at the distance of the Fulani to Caucasoids

Distance to: Fulani

0.36906761 Moroccan_North
0.39096966 Egyptian
0.47267699 Saudi
0.49926623 Iranian_Lor
0.50130004 Balochi
0.51635162 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.52216176 Italian_Piedmont
0.52353960 Chechen
0.52549412 Georgian_Imer
0.53757744 TUR_Barcin_N
0.53857094 Udmurt
0.53875018 Chuvash
0.54156166 English
0.54364709 Ukrainian
0.54599877 Swedish
0.54635408 Finnish_East
0.54825287 Saami
0.56333378 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.60891064 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.65699103 WHG

And then compare them to the distant of Natives to Mongoloids

Distance to: Mixe (a Native American ethnic group from Southern Mexico)

0.37644154 Chukchi
0.48445949 Selkup
0.48583510 Kazakh
0.49031685 Khanty
0.49669710 Mansi
0.50377550 Hazara
0.52128506 JPN_Jomon
0.52144861 Uzbek
0.52337474 Japanese
0.52582394 Han_Shanxi
0.53767448 Aeta
0.54343749 Onge
0.55219473 Mari
0.55245465 Malay
0.56022691 Hawaiian
0.56183144 Bonda
0.56419493 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.56651590 TWN_Hanben (ancient Austronesian from Taiwan; ancestors of modern Taiwanese Aborigines)
0.56779663 Luzon
0.57584046 Igorot
0.58919769 Paniya

Distance to: Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from the Andean regions of South America)

0.40837100 Chukchi
0.51588562 Selkup
0.51699985 Kazakh
0.52032387 Khanty
0.52642799 Mansi
0.53245209 Hazara
0.54845510 Uzbek
0.55088836 JPN_Jomon
0.55607654 Japanese
0.55905353 Han_Shanxi
0.56551414 Aeta
0.56945718 Onge
0.57871252 Mari
0.58086856 Malay
0.58679584 Bonda
0.58859514 Hawaiian
0.59292442 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.59508348 TWN_Hanben (ancient Austronesian from Taiwan; ancestors of modern Taiwanese Aborigines)
0.59616315 Luzon
0.60375133 Igorot
0.61148765 Paniya

Isn't crazy that an African nomadic tribe who is around 75% Negroid and 25% Caucasoid genetically is still genetically closer to Caucasoids to Native Americans are to Mongoloids including SE Asians? It shows how really divergent, distinct Native Americans become after 20,000 years or more of separation. 

 

 
Posted : 10/11/2020 4:41 am
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