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1/3rd of Filipinos have Spanish Ancestry (According to official historical censuses)

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Rene B. Sarabia Jr
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[First of all, I am shocked over how all of my threads are erased despite not having offensive content in it and so I'm here to re-hash some of my old but erased threads. This thread, the Spanish ancestry thread, is one among the a series of threads: (1) The Spanish ancestry in the Filipino thread (2) Epic Chinese Cities that will astound you with awesomeness thread (3) How us Filipino men are hot/hotter than you lolz thread (4) Japanese culture and society is so polite thread and (5) The Indonesian Cuisine thread. Which I intend to re-hash]

(But anyhow, it's all in the past now and I do not harbor any ill feelings about this [the erasing] anymore)

Anyway, here it goes.

Remember how I posted way back that I claimed that I read old census records in a Recollect Monastic community detailing how many Filipinos indeed have Spanish (Not really Spanish but actually Latino) ancestry but I didn't provide my sources? We'll I found an online book that finally proves my claim.

Just scroll down to read the excerpts...

It's taken from the 1818 Official Census.
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Blackwood’s magazine for August, 1818, has an account of conditions in Manila and the Philippines from data given by an English merchant who left the Islands in 1798 after twenty years’ residence in which he accumulated a fortune.

“Your first question, with respect to the Spanish population, must refer to native Spaniards only; as their numerous descendants, through all the variety of half-castes, would include one third at least of the whole population of Luconia (i.e., Luzon–A. C.)

“Of native Spaniards, accordingly, settled in the Philippine Islands, the total number may be stated at 2,000 not military. The military, including all descriptions, men and officers, are about 2,500, out of which number the native regiments are officered These last, in 1796-7, were almost entirely composed of South Americans and were reckoned at 5,000 men, making a military force of about 7,500.

“The castes bearing a mixture of the Spanish blood are in Luconia alone at least 200,000. The Sangleys, or Chinese descendants, are upwards of 20,000, and Indians, who call themselves the original Tagalas, about 340,000, making a total population in that island of about 600,000 souls. What may be the respective numbers in the other Philippine Islands I never had any opportunity of learning.”

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So, to make the long story short, basically, 200,000 of the 600,000 population of Luzon (roughly 1/3rd of the whole population) have a recorded and proven Spanish ancestry of varying degrees both through the mother and father side and that, most military officers and their families stationed in the Philippines during that time were of South American or "Latino" descent.

Taken from the book and website, The Former Philippines Through Foreign Eyes by Fedor Jagor.

See? I was really saying the truth when I said that the European component in the Filipino was larger than most people estimate now-a-days. We'll, at least in Luzon and Luzon is were 3/5ths of the modern population resides anyway.

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Rene B. Sarabia Jr
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Now, now, I'm not saying that the 1/3rd of Filipinos having Hispanic/Latino ancestry is anything special, because it isn't, since all human beings are equal no matter what race he is in, I would just like this information to be posted up because by merely using one's common sense one cannot possibly conclude that 333 years of Spanish colonization can only produce a result wherein only 3.6% of the population is European...

The 3.6% number has been exposed as a myth.

Rather the analysis of combining and tallying each automosal DNA of every Filipino (As what I did in tallying together the genetic profiles of Filipinos in 23andme) often produces a minimum median of 3.6% European admixture in the total genome of a person. Meaning, most Filipinos really have European ancestry but commonly only in trace amounts; i.e. 2-3.6%. 

(The situation must have transpired wherein the 1/3rd of Filipinos with Spanish ancestry, panned out across the entire Philippine population and now, most Filipinos have Spanish ancestry but in diluted form)

Thus, the 3.6% figure applies to the admixture per person not per the whole population.

Nevertheless, even though the average Filipino is only 3.6% European he is 100% Asian.

I hope this clarifies the misunderstandings concerning this matter.

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Rene B. Sarabia Jr
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Sometimes if you sift through a Filipino crowd, you would see the Hispanic/Latino element.
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But the majority of Filipinos are still mostly Asian in appearance though. The historical 1/3rd cannot possibly overpower the remaining 2/3rds.

See how most Filipinos are either Malay, Negrito or Chinese looking but only a few are Latino and European looking.

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I know that Fil-Ams definitely are more likely to be European admixed even with no American ancestor. My family always told me this before, it seems to me confirmed now that I've seen ~20 23andme results from @SailorNeptune; and the threads she linked me to (thanks btw). 23andme doesn't even ship to the Philippines, so that 1% Southern or Northern Euro and higher prevalence of European paternal or maternal markers can only be attributed to Filams. 

I've seen Y-DNA and mtDNA studies with hundreds of Filipinos. European markers are extremely rare. There has been research done on Filipino autosomal dna too which has concluded they have less European blood than Northern Chinese (who have ~4% and have a ratio of European Y and mtdna markers to go along with it).

Ok. Point taken, but how come the census disagrees with this? Various authors such as Fedor Jagor and F. Karuth still claim that many Filipinos are part Spanish and citing the 1818 Census and the 1840 census respectively.

Perhaps only Luzon was the only predominantly Hispanic populated area while the rest wasn't (Since the census records only Luzon apparently; but have zero information about everyone else, reasonable since Mindanao wasn't even pacified and the Visayas were stuck in wars to have any census on them undertaken)

Thus, the Hispanic ancestry might only be traced to 1/3rd of Luzon's inhabitants and even less in select cities while the vast majority of everyone from Mindanao to Visayas have zero Spanish ancestry.

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I really have a hard time believing that my family is only part of the 2-3% population. & we are definitely not FilAms. We have relatives who have migrated abroad for sure but we also have family here who have European ancestry. I see & live with people in school, work, in public that look mestizo. Of course, not all mestizos look mestizo, ie. Jokoy's sister looks 100% Native Filipina. I think that we are a more admixed society but a lot of Filipinos tend to exaggerate their foreign ancestry, particularly Spanish.

I wonder, the autosomal studies done on Filipinos, what region did these Filipinos hail from? I noticed though that the poorer Filipinos seem to have a lot more children than the middle-upper class. Whereas 100 years ago they would've had just as many =10 children; then 50 years ago about 5 children, whereas now only 2-3 kids. While the lower class continue to have 10-13 kids until today. Maybe that's the reason of the dilution of European genes in the Filipino?

Also, if Filipinos have Latino/hispanic ancestry, then wouldn't that also show Native American ancestry? Not just European? What about Middle Eastern ancestry? The Moors ruled Spain for 800-900 years after all.

The myth that only 3.6% of Filipinos have any European ancestry has been debunked. I know because I was in the talk section of Wikipedia which discussed the reasons why it was removed (lack of clarity, low sampling basis and etc.) The percentage of Filipinos with European admix is higher of course, mere common sense dictates that 333 years of Spanish colonization cannot just leave behind a 3.6% Euro admixture. But I think that when the guys did the study, the spread pretty much determined the outcome...

Let's say Cebu has 25% Mestizo population and Manila a 37% Mestizo population and provinces such as Lanao, Cotabato, Sulu and Leyte have zero. Even if most of the population where in Cebu and Manila, if they sampled everyone according to geographic correspondence. Then the 2 mestizos from Cebu and Manila (provided that there is one person per area representation) would be roundly swamped by the 4 persons from Lanao, Cotabato, Sulu and Leyte with no European ancestry (Even though, Cebu and Manila as a whole has a larger population in toto which also means Mestizos are more numerous than what came out of the samples).

I guess it's just a matter of sampling.

I agree with you that the notion that only 2-3% of Filipinos are European are preposterous.

In high school I have had 4 classmates with direct European ancestry, one was even half German, her surname was Ramburger, in college, 3 of my classmates had memorable European ancestry one was even 1/4rth German his surname was Marine.

And these are coming from people with recent Euro introgression. What about the one's who have forgotten their Euro introgression? (Since immigration started from the 1500s. My God, how long is that? It's like almost half a millenium already)

Now, I don't want to go into wishful thinking because that's silly and unscholarly but Christ, my elementary classmates and mere common sense point out that the 3.6% myth cannot be anything but haphazard.

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