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I get really annoyed by how anti-China some of my white peers are. They never seem to notice that America can be nearly as bad.

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It's just kind of annoying to hear a bunch of Americans call China a Muslim-hating, imperialistic hellhole without realizing that America has also been pretty terrible to Muslims (nobody talks about Abu Gharib), and that America has been far more imperialistic, especially historically. China is pretty dystopic but America is too, especially when we see recent news about how a black witness at the Amber Guyger trial got murdered right after his testimony.

I'm not saying that America is worse (I find it difficult to rate oppression anyway), but I wish that some of my white peers would care as much about American dystopia (which they can more easily address, as voters) as they did Eastern dystopia. In America people will rage with rhetoric against "the Chinese" while simultaneously giving you side eye for supporting BLM.

I'm having these thoughts in the first place because my white peer told me that "the Chinese" are going to take over the world because they've invested money into 3rd world countries. She knows I'm Chinese. It's like, America has already done the same thing 100 years ago yet China is somehow so much more evil.

Edit: Please reread my post if you think I'm defending China's actions.

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It's a losing battle, mate. As someone who's lived on both sides of the Pacific, I've pretty much resigned myself to the inevitable conflict between Chinese and Western cultures.
Western media and public discourse LOVE to s**t on China, because it generates outrage and clicks. It's pretty much impossible to combat and fact check, for two reasons:
1) Most of the stories are at least rooted in some semblance of the truth, for example, YES there are camps in Xinjiang where Uyghurs are being sent against their will, and YES the organs of executed criminals were indeed used for transplants in the early 2000's.
2) As another redditor on this sub pointed out, there are ZERO repercussions for any Western media outlet that takes negative stories about China and blows them way out of proportion. The group of people who can both read the story and are knowledgeable enough to refute it forms such a tiny audience that their voices will immediately be drowned out by those calling for blood.
I really wish things weren't this way.

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on how the situation in Hong Kong reminds you of Taiwan. As the child of mainland immigrants, it's never been in my DNA to question whether Taiwan and Hong Kong are part of China. "China" here doesn't necessarily have to be synonymous with "PRC"; h**l, I would argue that the RoC did a much better job of preserving traditional Chinese culture until recently, plus I like the RoC flag better as it has more traditionally Chinese elements.
Media wise, SixthTone is good for general China-related issues, but as a mainland approved publication there won't be any political content. SCMP is also good and is independent from the CCP; if you're being shat on by both sides for being biased, then you're probably doing a good job being neutral.

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People also don't realize China is constructing the camps in response to terrorist attacks (there was a massive knife attack too). There are also reports of extremists that cross the border into Xinjiang. China most like just felt the "shame"/"atrocity" of making these camps outweigh the possibility/danger of the formation of their own ISIS in their own territory.

People also need to think about what has been going on for the last 70 years. If they're teaching all this "Chinese" stuff now, what the f**k were they doing before? My theory is that China probably thought "oh s**t, America is pulling out of the Middle East soon, the place next to Xinjiang is about to get messy". The amount of political instability that immigrants created in Europe probably sent the CCP into "panic" mode.

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Just some meandering thoughts I've pulled together from years of readings and observations...
As I write this, the three top posts in /r/worldnews are two posts about South Park in China and one post about blindfolded prisoners in Xinjiang. These are truly the most important issues of our times - Reddit hivemind curating your content at work.
No, Reddit isn't the news, but a same curation process happens behind the scenes in every news organization. I encourage you to think critically. By this, I don't mean a myopic focus on accurate reporting of facts (although this too is important and often in question when it comes to China) or even mere crude censorship, but the meta-news. Who decided something was newsworthy? Who decided something was not? What was left out? How important is it really in relation to everything else going on? Why are you hearing about this now? Who is the source of the claims? Who's connecting disparate stories to form the official narrative? Better yet, who's putting out the stories for you to "naturally" arrive at the narrative they're trying to sell?
So as an example, let's take the current Hong Kong protests. Without taking any sides, let me just point out that during this time, the Gilets Jaunes protests in France have continued (with fatalities and maimings from the police suppression), Kashmir has had telecommunications cut, been put under virtual martial law, and seen thousands of preemptive arrests, Indonesia has had protests (again, with multiple fatalities from police shooting live ammunition), and over a hundred protestors have been killed in Iraq. The popularity of these protests might not match HK, but I hope you'll agree with me that comparatively the police response in HK has been restrained, as evidenced by, you know, protestors (at least so far) not getting killed by police. So why is it that the response to the HK protests have drawn so much condemnation and the other protests barely merit a mention?
You are living in a world awash with information and even without resorting to lying, facts can be cherrypicked to support just about any narrative. There are whole knowledge-creation industries, such as lobbyists and think tanks, out there to convince people to believe things that align with the interests of whoever funds them. You are targets for influence campaigns to manipulate your sentiments, beliefs, and actions - and I don't mean just the Russians or Chinese or Iranians or whoever the enemy of the week is, but everybody. That especially includes the largest Military-Industrial Complex in the world. Organizations that run these campaigns aren't interested in informing you or encouraging public debate. They do strategic messaging - this means they put out whatever is necessary to achieve their desired strategic effects. Things like consolidation of national broadcasters, dying local news, social media, big data/AI will only make things worse. These are the times you live in.
Not too long ago in historical terms, people used Christianity or Civilization to justify the rape, slaughter, slavery, and pillage of other peoples. Eventually, Freedom and Democracy became the justification for foreign intervention. Then it was Human Rights. And these excuses will continually morph to whatever is necessary to get your support. Watch this space - personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see Global Climate Change/Saving the Planet as the next big justification. Feminism/LGBT is already in vogue. I'm not saying that these causes are not good causes - what I'm saying is that actors will try to hijack your views on these causes to advance their own interests, just like how corporations do Pride Week to improve their image and sales.

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