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I get really annoyed by how anti-China some of my white peers are. They never seem to notice that America can be nearly as bad.

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I think it's dangerous to rationalize away a concerted effort to confront a potential humanitarian crises by just asking "what about the US?"
I'm born and raised in China, I totally understand the outrage. I understand the political sensitivities there, and I have family friends who have been persecuted for being too religious or too influential. Of course, Chinese citizens/netizens aren't the party, but the level of propaganda, combined with a deep rooted (super-)nationalist ideology drilled into our minds at a very early age, means that our entire communications ecosystem is just a giant propaganda bubble. My parents still talk about the protesters as if they're rabid thugs looking to target mainland nationals and beat them or kill them. This isn't the isolated discourse either, as their entire WeChat experience these days is just revolved around who can come up with the scarier story about the protest.
It's overly naive at best, and disingenuous at its worst, to claim that the netizens are not part of the problem. They're not the CCP, and they don't have executive, legislative, nor any real decision making powers, but they're definitely in line with the party, and they serve as the direct channel for party propaganda.
I also want to point out that criticizing Chinese policies, its propaganda arm, etc, aren't racially motivated. It's different to observe the fact that Chinese influence over international affairs may bring political instabilities to the world than someone claiming that we are racially different and hence must be born to be evil. It's equally valid to criticize US involvement in international affairs and the instabilities that our war mongering foreign policies have brought upon the world over the past 50 years, but that's not a valid rationalization in support of Chinese policies. Sure, it's hypocritical, but it does not excuse the evilness of China today.

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I'm totally on board with China getting criticized but at some point, Americans going on and on about China just kinda feels like a "China bad, America good" situation.
For most of us here, we live in America and we have the right to vote in this country, but there's not enough happening to make the necessary changes that this country needs. Americans are not actually as critical of America as like they to believe. Even groups like Asian Americans, I find the level of criticism towards America as a country is incredibly weak.
This country shouldn't even exist in the first place because it's built on stolen land but Americans still have all the energy in the world to focus so much of their hatred on China, it's ridiculous. We're imprisoning people for profit, we're sanctioning the living f**k of countries, we've gone to war slaughtering the h**l out of other Asians, but nobody really wants to talk about that because they don't actually have a problem with human rights abuses.

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The CIA also toppled the democratically Iranian government, not even for oil, but as a favor to England; which led to the overthrow of the Shah and Ayatollah coming into power. The Iranians at the time even thought of the US as friends and fellow revolutionaries, who both tried to secede from English. rule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
There was also the Iran-Contra affair, where the CIA sold arms to our newly-made enemy Iran, to fund right-wing deathsquads in Nicaragua, who almost solely targeted civilians and the families of civilians suspected of being communist sympathizers, to "stop the spread of communism". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
Also the US supported Augusto Pinochet who extrajudicially executed tons of leftists and socialists to stop the spread of communism and turn Chile into a capitalist state. The US even educated a group of Chilean economists called the "Chicago Boys" under Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago to liberalize Chile's economy while people were being jailed and thrown out of helicopters to their deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet

There was also the anti-communist massacres in Indonesia, the subject of the documentary "The Act of Killing", where militias went around massacring suspected communists and communist sympathizers, or failing to find those, blindly killing Indonesian ethnic Chinese. This was at least complicitly supported by the CIA and US government, while publicly denounced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366
And there's literally so many more terrible things the US has perpetrated or supported to maintain access to oil, or stop the spread of Communism or whatever other reason.

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I think the issue here is that there's often very little distinction with being "Anti-CCP" with being "Anti-Chinese" or "Anti-Asian." We are often seen as some sort of foreign monolith, even if some of our families have been in this country longer than some families from Europe. One of the first racially-based murders after 9/11 was of a Sikh man. Different religion, different culture, different ethnicity, but he died because he wore a turban. Japanese Americans were put in concentration camps because they couldn't be trusted to be American enough. I think that's why I'm wary of the anti-China sentiment I'm starting to see a lot of recently, even if I have been staunchly anti-CCP all my life (my family were forced to flee China in 1949). When people say things that are anti-China, I wonder what the subtext of their reactions are. I do agree that dealing with it by saying, "Well, the US did worse!" is backward and not where any of us should be with this. But it is an issue that may start affecting a lot of us very negatively because of our Asian identities.

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People in this thread keeps say whataboutism or what not, but really what bothers me is that a pro-China opinon is not allowed in the US and West on anything.
For all of the west's domestic and international issues (BLM, France yellow vests, multiple wars of terror and associated civilian deaths, US border camps), regardless of what people supporter, we at least accept that there can be multiple perspectives on the cause and reasoning behind what government / non- government groups motivation for doing things.
With China there isn't, anyone who is anti government is automatically good, and anyone who supports government is automatically brainwashed. And the media only represents the anti government view.
Take Hong Kong protests for example, no one questions whether they are protesting for right or justified reasons ("anti China = freedom = good"), when it started due to an new extradition law (now canceled) with Taiwan to extradite a murderer (China was one the countries that the new extradition agreement included, and people claimed that would allow political enemies to be extradited but the law spelled out clear criteria where extradition is valid).

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