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are Italians descendants of Romans?

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Or, are they partly descended form Visigoths or Germans? 

It seems to me they don't have any Viking element compared to a strong Viking presence in Anglo Saxons. 

 

The Washington elite seem to have a racial affinity with Baltic countries Lativia, Lithuania and Estonia. 

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The Italians are the result of 
invasions and mixtures between cultures over centuries. 



The Sabines were ancient peoples who populated pre-Roman Italy, along with the Etruscans, the 
Latins, the Aequi, the Ligurians, the Samnites, the Sabellians and the Herniks, among others. 
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They are descended from Neolithic Farmers from Turkey, northern Syria, and from the Caucasus regions (Georgia and Armenia)

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please explain.

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@jose

this is pretty amazing:

All three studies seem to support the history written by Herodotus. He wrote that Lydia, on the southern coast of Turkey, suffered from a long-running famine. After 18 years, the Lydian king divided the population by lot and sent half under the leadership of his son Tyrrhenus to look for a better life.

The Tyrrhenians sailed from Smyrna, now Izmir, and eventually landed at Umbria, where they established a prosperous and rather liberated society, Herodotus wrote in the 5th century BC.

Linguist Rex Wallace of the University of Massachusetts also points out that the Etruscan language is definitely not of Indo-European origin

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Any guess on what language family the Etruscan language belongs to?  Are there non-Indo-European words or features in Italian?

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If they're from southern Turkey, and they were already advanced by 750BC, I would guess they're related to ancient Babylonians or one of the other mesopotanian cultures.

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That's probably true. 

So they took boats from Southern Turkey?  I guess that's plausible.

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Mostly Southern Italians. 

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The ancestors of Italians are mostly Indo-European speakers (e.g. Italic peoples such as the Latins, Umbrians, Samnites, Oscans, Sicels and Adriatic Veneti, as well as Celts in the north and Iapygians and Greeks in the south) and pre-Indo-European speakers (the Etruscans and Rhaetians in mainland Italy, Sicani and ...

 

 

The study suggests the vast majority of immigrants to Rome came from the East. Of 48 individuals sampled from this period, only two showed strong genetic ties to Europe. Another two had strong North African ancestry. The rest had ancestry connecting them to Greece, Syria, Lebanon, and other places in the Eastern Mediterranean and Middle East.

 

 

Latins (Italic tribe)
 
  • The Latins (Latin: Latini), sometimes known as the Latians, were an Italic tribe which included the early inhabitants of the city of Rome. ...
  • The Latins were an Indo-European-speaking people who probably migrated into the Italian Peninsula during the late Bronze Age (1200–900 BC).

 

 

According to tradition, on April 21, 753 B.C., Romulus and his twin brother, Remus, found Rome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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DNA Reveals Impact of Roman Empire on Genetic Ancestry (courthousenews.com)

 

 

DNA Reveals Impact of Roman Empire on Genetic Ancestry

 

This graph charts the historical and genetic events helped shaped by the Roman Empire. (Courtesy of study authors)

 

 

 

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

 

Southern Italians are closest to the Greeks (as the historical region of Magna Graecia, "Great Greece", bears witness to), while the Northern Italians are closest to the Spaniards and southern French

 

 

 

 

 

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Genetic history of Italy | Wikipedia audio article - YouTube

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Italians are closer to Greeks from Greek Isles compared to their relatives on the mainland of Greece.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4

 

 

 

Our results reveal a shared Mediterranean genetic continuity, extending from Sicily to Cyprus, where Southern Italian populations appear genetically closer to Greek-speaking islands than to continental Greece.

 

 

 

The Latin alphabet is derived from the Etruscan and Greek alphabets and ultimately from the Phoenician alphabet.

 

 

Latin language was the main language during Roman times while Greek language was the second language. 

Latin alphabets appear similar to Greek alphabets.

 

 

 

 

 

Sardinians

 

A 2018 study by Llorente et al. found that the present-day Sardinians are the closest population to the genome of the West Eurasian backflow to the Horn of Africa in ancient times.[214] A 2019 study estimated that the current Sardinian genome derives roughly 62.5% from Neolithic Early European Farmers (EEF), 9.7% from the Mesolithic Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), 13.9% from ancestry related to Neolithic Iranians of Ganj Dareh (or also Caucasus-related ancestry) and, lastly, 10.6% from the Bronze Age Western Steppe Herders (WSH) of the Yamnaya culture.[215]

 

We find Sardinian samples show elevated levels of shared ancestry with Basque individuals, especially samples from the more historically isolated regions of Sardinia.

 

 

 

 

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It seems Sardinians are the neolithic Europeans, before arrival of indo-aryans.

 

^these are the europeans without any indo-aryan/middle eastern influence. 

Blue eyed europeans are indo-aryans?

According to the wiki, modern Italians near Rome don't have significant Germanic influence. They're the similar mix of Latins, middle easterners, and Greeks as it was during late antiquity. 

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Sardinians and Basque people bordering Spain and France and possibly others are among the neolithic Europeans.

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I have visited Italy before, North Italians and Southern Italians can be easily identified from one another. 

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I see. did you like being in the south or north of Italy?

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I identify more with Southern Italians. 

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Thank you

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Sardinian people were not only on Sardinia Island but also on Italian Peninsula during Neolithic age but later on they were replaced by Indo-Europeans. 

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