Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloid groups to Native Americans.

Posted by: @prau123

@rodriguez

 

Really?  He passes up as pure Filipino because of his dark skin, body built and features.  He could probably pass up in several other SE Asian countries as a native person.  He definitely would not pass up in any East Asian country as he would be seen as a foreigner. 

He looked like a Filipino to me and nothing more. 

Posted by: @prau123

@rodriguez

 

Agree, second pic could easily pass up as Mexican and anywhere in Latin America/Latin European countries. Does the first person appear Native American Indian?  Where could the first pic pass up easily outside Philippines?

it's his flat nose! if it weren't so flat, maybe I think he might be able to pass in central America

Posted by: @rodriguez

Posted by: @prau123

@rodriguez

 

Really?  He passes up as pure Filipino because of his dark skin, body built and features.  He could probably pass up in several other SE Asian countries as a native person.  He definitely would not pass up in any East Asian country as he would be seen as a foreigner. 

He looked like a Filipino to me and nothing more. 

How about North American Amerindians such as a inuits 

Posted by: @qamzardaan

@rodriguez @prau123 @selurong @rambo

 

Believe it or not, but Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloids to Native Americans. 

 

Look at how further away the Native Americans (Mixe, Aymara, Surui) are from the Luzon (Filipino) sample. Even heavily Mongoloid/ENA shifted Europeans such as Udmurt, Saami, Chuvash or South Asians/South Central Asians such as Velamas, Punjabi Sikh India, Balochi are genetically closer to Luzon than the Native American samples are. 
Furthermore, look at how Finnish_East and Chechen are genetically closer to the Luzon than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from South America) are to the Luzon. 

 

Using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there. It shows the genetically closest/least distant to the furthest/most distant groups to Filipinos (Luzon, Vizayan). The more bottom the population, the more distant it is from the target population. For example, Jomon being under the Han_Shanxi for Luzon means the Jomon is genetically further away from the Luzon Filipino than Han Chinese from Shanxi Province is to the Luzon.

 

Distance to: Luzon

Spoiler

0.03156051 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesian from Tonga)
0.04318910 Hawaiian
0.15793637 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesian)
0.16298458 Aeta
0.18643250 Japanese
0.18760312 Han_Shanxi
0.21154847 JPN_Jomon (ancient Jomon individual)
0.30932762 Onge
0.31569919 Bonda (Austroasiatic tribe from India who is mainly AASI+Mongoloid mix)
0.32545087 Kazakh
0.37983117 Chukchi
0.40016918 Selkup
0.43131702 Paniya
0.47761238 Velamas
0.49934736 Udmurt
0.50306836 Chuvash
0.50327046 Saami
0.51062189 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.54690081 Balochi
0.56779663 Mixe
0.57762529 Finnish_East
0.58200607 Chechen
0.59616315 Aymara
0.60069870 Egyptian
0.61254712 Georgian_Imer
0.61278076 Swedish
0.63061924 Surui
0.74406654 Papuan

Same thing with the Vizayan (Filipino) sample. Look at how the Balochi and Finnish_East are genetically closer to the Vizayan Filipino than the Mixe despite the latter being predominantly West Eurasian or how the Chechen and Egyptian arre genetically closer to the Vizayan than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from the Andean region of South America) are to the Filipino individual.

 

Distance to: Vizayan

Spoiler

0.03787383 Hawaiian
0.05090447 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesians from Tonga)
0.12412708 Aeta
0.12471414 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.18756090 Japanese
0.18880175 Han_Shanxi
0.19113253 JPN_Jomon (ancient Jomon individual)
0.27250584 Onge
0.28497809 Bonda (Austroasiatic tribe from India who are a mix between AASI+Mongoloid)
0.29717628 Kazakh
0.36093267 Chukchi
0.37476629 Selkup
0.39842864 Paniya
0.44506657 Velamas
0.46829877 Udmurt
0.47191727 Chuvash
0.47311126 Saami
0.47812768 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.51587057 Balochi
0.54767174 Finnish_East
0.55025334 Mixe
0.55190947 Chechen
0.57104436 Egyptian
0.57867941 Aymara
0.58275948 Georgian_Imer
0.58346070 Swedish
0.61343304 Surui
0.70968324 Papuan

 

This is also the reversal with Native Americans. Filipinos are one of the most distant groups genetically to them:

 

A Genetic Distance Run using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there by Davidski:

 

Surui (a Native American tribe from South America) from most to least. Look at how faraway from Surui the Filipino samples are (Luzon and Igorot). Even some Caucasoids such as Mari, Udmurt, Saami, Turkmen or some Tatars are genetically closer to Surui than Filipinos are. The closest pops to the Surui are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Selkup who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian.

 

Distance to: Surui

Spoiler

0.45144851 Chukchi
0.55907602 Selkup
0.55926932 Kazakh
0.56213218 Khanty
0.56802163 Mansi
0.57328326 Hazara
0.58823501 Uzbek
0.58932847 JPN_Jomon (Jomon individual)
0.59467283 Japanese
0.59745944 Han_Shanxi
0.60032065 Aeta
0.60447864 Onge
0.61563835 Malay
0.61569381 Turkmen
0.61624356 Mari
0.61727523 Udmurt
0.61745261 Saami
0.62104511 Bonda
0.62192123 Tatar_Lipka
0.62297913 Hawaiian
0.62713075 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.62927452 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.62957523 Bengali_Bangladesh
0.63061924 Luzon
0.63546647 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesian from Tonga)
0.63748473 Igorot
0.64498427 Paniya

 

Or compare to the Pima, a Native American tribe from Southwestern USA/Northern Mexico. Once again, the Filipinos (Luzon, Igorot) are at the bottom which means the most distant/furthest away. Some Caucasoids like Mari, Turkmen, Udmurt, Saami, some Tatars seem genetically closer to the Pima than Filipinos are. Closest pops are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Kazakh who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian.

 

Distance to: Pima

Spoiler

0.36647137 Chukchi
0.47170710 Kazakh
0.47360330 Selkup
0.47846664 Khanty
0.48470136 Mansi
0.48787113 Hazara
0.50546008 Uzbek
0.50901481 JPN_Jomon
0.51351578 Japanese
0.51548158 Han_Shanxi
0.52262929 Aeta
0.52624097 Onge
0.53659742 Turkmen
0.53825171 Malay
0.53944549 Mari
0.54085620 Udmurt
0.54205455 Saami
0.54491092 Tatar_Lipka
0.54504236 Bonda
0.54735152 Hawaiian
0.54997690 PYF_150BP
0.55177051 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.55374478 Bengali_Bangladesh
0.55478313 TWN_Hanben
0.55549123 Luzon

0.56080526 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesian from Tonga)
0.56430606 Igorot

0.57200262 Paniya

 

Reasons for why Filipinos and Natives could be extremely genetically distant from one another.

1) Native Americans are genetically very divergent from other "Mongoloids" including Filipinos due to being separated from Asians for at least 20,000 years or more after they move to the Americas

2) Native Americans have 30-40% ANE (even up to 45% ANE according to some qpAdm formal stat results that I saw), a predominantly ancient West Eurasian component that they shared with South Asians, Central Asians and Caucasoids such as West Asians, Europeans, Middle Easterners. Most Mongoloids including Filipinos lack ANE or if they have it is very negligible/almost zero amounts which they received from their Iberian admix. Spaniards have some ANE but pretty low compared to Northern Euros and Eastern Euros.

3) ANE also means around 23-30% West Eurasian ancestry or more for Native Americans. Filipinos on the other hand, are predominantly or almost 100% East Eurasian (its a term to refer to those in the Mongoloid and Australoid genetic cluster).

4) The East Eurasian ancestry of Native Americans is Siberian-derived and related to Paleo-Siberian/Devil's Gate which is the main ancestors of Tungusic tribes which is very different and distinct from the East Eurasian ancestry of Filipinos which originates from Southern China and closely related to Taiwanese Aborigines.

I can show you how I get these distance numbers if you want.

 

Taino 

Posted by: @jose

Posted by: @qamzardaan

@rodriguez @prau123 @selurong @rambo

 

Believe it or not, but Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloids to Native Americans. 

 

Look at how further away the Native Americans (Mixe, Aymara, Surui) are from the Luzon (Filipino) sample. Even heavily Mongoloid/ENA shifted Europeans such as Udmurt, Saami, Chuvash or South Asians/South Central Asians such as Velamas, Punjabi Sikh India, Balochi are genetically closer to Luzon than the Native American samples are. 
Furthermore, look at how Finnish_East and Chechen are genetically closer to the Luzon than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from South America) are to the Luzon. 

 

Using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there. It shows the genetically closest/least distant to the furthest/most distant groups to Filipinos (Luzon, Vizayan). The more bottom the population, the more distant it is from the target population. For example, Jomon being under the Han_Shanxi for Luzon means the Jomon is genetically further away from the Luzon Filipino than Han Chinese from Shanxi Province is to the Luzon.

 

Distance to: Luzon

Spoiler

0.03156051 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesian from Tonga)
0.04318910 Hawaiian
0.15793637 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesian)
0.16298458 Aeta
0.18643250 Japanese
0.18760312 Han_Shanxi
0.21154847 JPN_Jomon (ancient Jomon individual)
0.30932762 Onge
0.31569919 Bonda (Austroasiatic tribe from India who is mainly AASI+Mongoloid mix)
0.32545087 Kazakh
0.37983117 Chukchi
0.40016918 Selkup
0.43131702 Paniya
0.47761238 Velamas
0.49934736 Udmurt
0.50306836 Chuvash
0.50327046 Saami
0.51062189 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.54690081 Balochi
0.56779663 Mixe
0.57762529 Finnish_East
0.58200607 Chechen
0.59616315 Aymara
0.60069870 Egyptian
0.61254712 Georgian_Imer
0.61278076 Swedish
0.63061924 Surui
0.74406654 Papuan

Same thing with the Vizayan (Filipino) sample. Look at how the Balochi and Finnish_East are genetically closer to the Vizayan Filipino than the Mixe despite the latter being predominantly West Eurasian or how the Chechen and Egyptian arre genetically closer to the Vizayan than the Aymara (a Native American ethnic group from the Andean region of South America) are to the Filipino individual.

 

 

Distance to: Vizayan

Spoiler

0.03787383 Hawaiian
0.05090447 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesians from Tonga)
0.12412708 Aeta
0.12471414 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.18756090 Japanese
0.18880175 Han_Shanxi
0.19113253 JPN_Jomon (ancient Jomon individual)
0.27250584 Onge
0.28497809 Bonda (Austroasiatic tribe from India who are a mix between AASI+Mongoloid)
0.29717628 Kazakh
0.36093267 Chukchi
0.37476629 Selkup
0.39842864 Paniya
0.44506657 Velamas
0.46829877 Udmurt
0.47191727 Chuvash
0.47311126 Saami
0.47812768 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.51587057 Balochi
0.54767174 Finnish_East
0.55025334 Mixe
0.55190947 Chechen
0.57104436 Egyptian
0.57867941 Aymara
0.58275948 Georgian_Imer
0.58346070 Swedish
0.61343304 Surui
0.70968324 Papuan

 

This is also the reversal with Native Americans. Filipinos are one of the most distant groups genetically to them:

 

A Genetic Distance Run using Global 25: one of the best genetic calculators out there by Davidski:

 

Surui (a Native American tribe from South America) from most to least. Look at how faraway from Surui the Filipino samples are (Luzon and Igorot). Even some Caucasoids such as Mari, Udmurt, Saami, Turkmen or some Tatars are genetically closer to Surui than Filipinos are. The closest pops to the Surui are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Selkup who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian.

 

Distance to: Surui

Spoiler

0.45144851 Chukchi
0.55907602 Selkup
0.55926932 Kazakh
0.56213218 Khanty
0.56802163 Mansi
0.57328326 Hazara
0.58823501 Uzbek
0.58932847 JPN_Jomon (Jomon individual)
0.59467283 Japanese
0.59745944 Han_Shanxi
0.60032065 Aeta
0.60447864 Onge
0.61563835 Malay
0.61569381 Turkmen
0.61624356 Mari
0.61727523 Udmurt
0.61745261 Saami
0.62104511 Bonda
0.62192123 Tatar_Lipka
0.62297913 Hawaiian
0.62713075 PYF_150BP (Polynesian individual from French Polynesia)
0.62927452 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.62957523 Bengali_Bangladesh
0.63061924 Luzon
0.63546647 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesian from Tonga)
0.63748473 Igorot
0.64498427 Paniya

 

Or compare to the Pima, a Native American tribe from Southwestern USA/Northern Mexico. Once again, the Filipinos (Luzon, Igorot) are at the bottom which means the most distant/furthest away. Some Caucasoids like Mari, Turkmen, Udmurt, Saami, some Tatars seem genetically closer to the Pima than Filipinos are. Closest pops are Chukchi, Kirghiz, Kazakh who are Paleosiberian and Central Asian.

 

Distance to: Pima

Spoiler

0.36647137 Chukchi
0.47170710 Kazakh
0.47360330 Selkup
0.47846664 Khanty
0.48470136 Mansi
0.48787113 Hazara
0.50546008 Uzbek
0.50901481 JPN_Jomon
0.51351578 Japanese
0.51548158 Han_Shanxi
0.52262929 Aeta
0.52624097 Onge
0.53659742 Turkmen
0.53825171 Malay
0.53944549 Mari
0.54085620 Udmurt
0.54205455 Saami
0.54491092 Tatar_Lipka
0.54504236 Bonda
0.54735152 Hawaiian
0.54997690 PYF_150BP
0.55177051 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.55374478 Bengali_Bangladesh
0.55478313 TWN_Hanben
0.55549123 Luzon

0.56080526 TON_2500BP (ancient Austronesian from Tonga)
0.56430606 Igorot

0.57200262 Paniya

 

Reasons for why Filipinos and Natives could be extremely genetically distant from one another.

1) Native Americans are genetically very divergent from other "Mongoloids" including Filipinos due to being separated from Asians for at least 20,000 years or more after they move to the Americas

2) Native Americans have 30-40% ANE (even up to 45% ANE according to some qpAdm formal stat results that I saw), a predominantly ancient West Eurasian component that they shared with South Asians, Central Asians and Caucasoids such as West Asians, Europeans, Middle Easterners. Most Mongoloids including Filipinos lack ANE or if they have it is very negligible/almost zero amounts which they received from their Iberian admix. Spaniards have some ANE but pretty low compared to Northern Euros and Eastern Euros.

3) ANE also means around 23-30% West Eurasian ancestry or more for Native Americans. Filipinos on the other hand, are predominantly or almost 100% East Eurasian (its a term to refer to those in the Mongoloid and Australoid genetic cluster).

4) The East Eurasian ancestry of Native Americans is Siberian-derived and related to Paleo-Siberian/Devil's Gate which is the main ancestors of Tungusic tribes which is very different and distinct from the East Eurasian ancestry of Filipinos which originates from Southern China and closely related to Taiwanese Aborigines.

I can show you how I get these distance numbers if you want.

 

Taino 

I call this bullshit.

1. Global 25 only has two Filipino samples to base their entire calculation model on.

2. Spanish era censuses and records show hundreds of thousands of Mexicans and Peruvians immigrating to the Philippines during the Spanish era.

3. If you check 23andme, the genetic analysis site with the most number of Filipinos, you will see alot of Filipinos possess Native American ancestry absent in other Asians.