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Filipinos are one of the most genetically distant Mongoloid groups to Native Americans.

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Have you met some Filipinos who appear Mestizo, Castizo and Spanish Criollo?  Some are easily mistaken as Mexicans and Latinos in general probably.

 

 

 
Posted : 21/02/2021 2:52 am
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Posted : 11/11/2022 11:13 pm
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So what's everyone's theory on the migration from Africa to Asia and the Americas?  I've gone back and forth on a couple main theories, but neither fully explain the story in full. 

Theory 1 (Northern and Southern Route):  About 40k-50k years ago, the most recent Out of Africa migration sent out two main waves of migration to the Far East.  One was the southern migration via India (under the Himalayas) and into Southeast Asia, and this group would produce the Southern Eurasian people aka Australoids such as the ASI (Ancient South Indians), Negritos (Philippine, Malaysian, and etc.), Papuans, Australian Aborigines, etc. with some interbreeding with Eastern Denisovans and Eastern Neandertals. The other migration was the northern migration via Central Asia (north of the Himalayas) and into East Asia and eventually into Southeast Asia much later on.  This northern migration would produce the Mongoloids and Caucasoids with some interbreeding with ancient northern cousins such as Neandertals and Denisovans.  The Native Americans would largely descend from this northern migratory group, but apparently some Southern Eurasians had also made it into the Americas in some yet unknown path (either through the Bering Strait or through the middle of the Pacific Ocean, or some other path) and they might predate the majority of Native Americans today in the Americas although that's probably not conclusive yet.  

Theory 2 (Southern Route, or predominantly Southern Route):  This is a theory that I initially believed in and held on for so long, but gave up on it, but now I'm going back to it a bit.  The most recent Out of Africa migration occurred 50k-100k years ago or longer, and it largely took a southern route (under the Himalayas) via India into Southeast Asia, and then into East Asia, and then into Siberia.  This is because Central Asia was full of ice sheets due to the 100,000 year long Ice Age.  Perhaps some from that most recent Out of Africa migration settled directly into Central Asia, and even making its way up into Siberia or even to East Asia, but for the most part, this group was very small due to the Ice Age conditions.  The Southern Route just makes more sense.  It's warmer, it's faster since you have no ice sheets to slow you down, you can also travel along the coast by boat, the coastline provides a definitive direction to follow (i.e., you won't get lost, or have to think about orientating yourself), the Southern Route has a lot of food/nutritional resources on land and in the sea, a much larger population can be fed with a higher survival rate since it's warmer (and Out of Africans originate from a warm area in Africa to begin with), and with a larger population produces more people to continue migrating (eastward or elsewhere, but especially eastward).  The Southern Route just makes more sense essentially compared to the northern route.  Have you heard of any population in the past few thousand years that took the northern route into Central Asia and eventually into East Asia?  I've never heard of any.  Only those Tocharians that made it into Western China, but not to coastal Far East.

Theory 2 just makes more sense to me.  I'm not saying I'm correct or that I've proven anything.  It also explains why Southeast Asians may cluster closely to Australoids especially Negritos and Papuans.  My theory is that the southern route migrants traveled through India and into Southeast Asia, and some migrated north into China (in particular Southern China).  The group that migrated into Southern China largely settled there for a very long time due to the ice sheets north and west of China.  But the coast of northern Asia (coastal Siberia) was likely an opening that some continued to migrate through, and it's this group that would eventually settle in Siberia (perhaps coastal Siberia).  This group would stay in Siberia and be stuck there for a very long time before attempting to migrate to North America, but some would eventually migrate westward and southward (some would stay in Siberia of course).  Now it should be pointed out that this happened a very long time ago, and Mongoloids and Caucasoids had not existed yet.  But from this westward and southward migration would perhaps produce Caucasoids (or Proto-Caucasoids), and Mongoloids including eventually Filipinos and other Southeast Asians by mixing with the migrants that were stuck in Southern China.  Some (not all) of the westward migrants would mix with Western Neandertals.  Eventually some of those that stayed in Siberia would cross the Bering Strait into the Americas and produce the Native Americans.  The reason why Filipinos may be more distant to (some) Native Americans as compared to some Western Eurasians is because Filipinos may be admixed with the group that got stuck in Southern China, whereas some Native Americans and some Western Eurasians may have less admixture since their Siberian origin.  Of course I'm being very general here.  Again I'm not saying I'm correct also.  But the Southern Route (Theory 2) seems very plausible in general, perhaps more plausible than any other theory.       

 
Posted : 24/11/2022 12:56 pm
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I think any sort of mongoloid attribute in appearance is definitely a southern to northern migration route. Something like proto-australoids > proto-mongoloids > neo-mongoloids or native americans (most native americans split with asians before developing neo-mongoloid traits). Southeast asians are the basal east asians, I think.

 
Posted : 24/11/2022 4:39 pm
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@sapphiresky , do you think the proto-mongoloid traits developed in China (and as far south as Southern China) or in Siberia?  My guess would be in Siberia.  China, and especially Southern China, is still warm or even hot.  Also, if proto-mongoloid traits developed that far south, then wouldn't Caucasoids carry these traits as well since Caucasoids split from a fairly recent ancestor with Mongoloids 20,000 to 50,000 years ago only?  My thinking is that a Proto-Australoid group made it to Siberia, and those that stayed long enough in Siberia developed Proto-Mongoloid traits.  Those that migrated westward towards Europe, Central Asia, and the Middle East developed Proto-Caucasoid traits.  But what I can't figure out is why the westward migrants would develop Proto-Caucasoid traits (as oppose to Proto-Mongoloid traits) apart from interbreeding with Western Neandertals and Western Denisovans?  Why wouldn't the westward migrants develop Proto-Mongoloid traits also since much of Europe, Central Asia, and northern parts of the Middle East were covered in ice sheets and very cold (due to the long Ice Age) similar to the conditions found in Siberia?  Or is it by chance that Proto-Caucasoid traits developed despite similar conditions existing for the development of Proto-Mongoloid traits in Europe, Central Asia, and northern Middle East which flies in the face of convergent evolution?    

 
Posted : 24/11/2022 6:01 pm
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