The indigenous peoples of South America don't look like Filipinos. The facial bone structure is very different.
the Latin American country that has minorities that resembles the Filipinos is Peru.
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Are those minorities more like Amazonian tribes who generally look pretty Asiatic compared to other Natives?
Most Peruvians look much more like Andeans who generally look pretty different from Filipinos I believe as in they have much more sharper nose, narrow and horsey face.
Oct 31, 2020 9:29 pm
Peruvians are majority mestizo just like the rest of Latin America, Peruvians just happen to have the most Native (Quechua)DNA compared to the rest.
The Amazonian population are not even 1% in Peru. Not every native has a hook nose. What the fuck is horse face 🙄
Nov 01, 2020 1:23 am
Horsey face means a very long face like a horse. Something like AOC's face. I notice a lot of Andean Natives have that type of face.
Nov 01, 2020 9:53 pm
Oct 31, 2020 9:44 pm
Papi, it's not just the nose. Peruvians are just more curvy.
Nov 01, 2020 1:27 am
That's true. Besides that and their nose, I thinik its their facial features and bone structure that makes them look pretty different from Pinoys.
Wouldn't Guatemala be more of a country where there are minorities that can resemble Pinoys than Peru? At least based on how the Native Guatemalans look.
Nov 01, 2020 7:19 am
Some Southern Mexicans and Central Americans can pass as Filipinos - similar built and height with some similar facial features and hue. There are Peruvian Mestizos and Natives that could pass as Filipinos.
Nov 01, 2020 9:19 am
True. But what percentage of Southern Mexican and Central American can pass? 10% at least?
What percentage of Peruvian Mestizos or Natives can pass though? I believe its considerably less than the number of South Mexican/Central Americans who can pass/blend in though. Because majority of Peruvians imo look pretty distinctive, they have a lot of Caucasoid-shifted facial features such as sharp big nose, long narrow face and strong prominent jawlines which would make them very different from Pinoys in phenos and thus make them unpassable imo.
I think the Peruvian Natives who could pass are mostly the Amazonian types who also live in tropical hot climates like Filipinos/other SE Asians and have similar built, height and rounder flatter facial features.
I think these Southern Mexican/Central American natives wouldn't pass imo. I think locals would think these are foreigners in the Phils (at least most of them):
Also the Peruvian/Andean types that won't pass as Pinoys look like these (I believe they make up the majority of Peruvians and other Andean natives. I don't think these types can pass anywhere in Asia except maybe parts of Himalaya or Central Asia. Notice how a lot of them they have Caucasoid-shifted facial features which is very different from Filipinos.
Watch this video from around 4:00 mins for example.
Or even many Andean-Amazonian types who like this also won't pass:
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Nov 02, 2020 3:39 am
I haven't been to Southern Mexico nor Central America but I guess the numbers would be in the low double-digit figures around 10% to 20% to pass up as a typical Filipino. Since I live in SoCal, I do get the chance to meet up with some of the Central Americans and possibly Southern Mexicans. The Central Americans here are predominantly Guatemalans and El Salvadorians although I have met Costa Ricans, Nicaraguans, Panamanians, Hondurans and Belizeans before. Base on what I've seen they have similar built and height as Filipinos and they have more native features compared to typical Mexicans. However it's the pure native dark skinned Southern Mexican/ Central American Indians that could pass up as Filipino especially when they were young. On the contrary, Filipinos could grow facial hair such as moustache and beard while Native American Indians are supposedly unable to grow them unless they have European genes. There are exceptions but most Native American Indians are not able to grow facial hair.
Although I haven't been to Peru, I've met some here. I guess it would be the indigenous people especially in Amazonian Rainforest that could likely pass up as a native Filipino but I'm sure there are some in the cities, mountains, rural areas, deserts and along the coastlines in Peru.
I wouldn't be able to come to a conclusion which group has a higher percentage that could pass up as a Filipino. On the surface, I probably say Southern Mexicans and Central Americans compared to Peruvians, but I really don't know until I see more Native Peruvians.
Young Peruvian reed boat surfer surfing on one of the coastlines in Peru could pass up as native Filipino Islander.
Nov 02, 2020 4:01 am
Thanks for the detailed reply. Which Central Americans would you say have the lowest chance of passing as Filipino? 10-20% sounds a bit high tbh. Any other difference that you noticed besides the ability to grow facial hair?
Can you post some examples of the dark skinned pure native Central American/Southern Mexican Indians that could pass as Pinoy?
Also can the pics of Southern Mexican/Central American, Andean and Amazonian-Andean mixed natives I posted in my previous above reply to you pass as Pinoy or not?
What Native types do you think have the lowest/zero chance of passing as Filipino?
And yes, its mainly the Amazonian types in Peru who can pass as Pinoy imo.
I'm sure there are some in the cities, mountains, rural areas, deserts and along the coastlines in Peru.
You mean you think there are also certain natives in other places besides the Amazon who can pass/blend in as Pinoy?
Also that Peruvian surfer looks SSA admixed to me (his skintone) rather than pure Native. How common is his look among Filipino islanders? I guess those who resemble his type have a lot of Australoid/Negrito or even Indian admixture (I heard there were actually Indicized Hindu kingdoms in precolonial Philippines)?
Sorry for asking many questions.
Nov 02, 2020 6:24 am
Costa Ricans probably have the lowest chance as passing up as Filipino since they are predominantly Spanish descendants.
On average the noses of the Filipinos are not as big as Central Americans only because most people are familiar with the Filipinos who grew up in Filipino cities or here in the states. In rural areas and mountainous areas there are native Filipinos that have bigger noses compared to the Filipinos in Filipino cities or here in the states. Plus they are physically stronger and they have darker skin than the Filipinos who grew up in the city.
Several Nicaraguans here could pass up as Filipinos
Panamanian
Belizean
The man on the left could pass up as a Filipino in rural areas/mountainous areas
The girl on left could pass up somewhat as Filipina, these are typically found in Filipino cities or in the states here in America but when she grows up I wouldn't be surprise if she looks more Latina than Filipina.
He could pass up as Filipino Native in rural areas/mountainous areas although he does have a hook nose.
The lady on the left could pass up as Filipina.
Both men could pass up as typical Filipinos.
The angle of the photo does give her the appearance of a Filipina.
The third person(girl) could pass up as a Filipina in Filipino cities or here in the states.
Peruvians who could pass up as Filipinos are probably more common in Amazonian Rainforest but I wouldn't be surprise if they are around other areas in Peru. They might not be living like native people anymore, they likely have adapted to the modern city.
There are Filipinos that look similar to this Peruvian surfer. He looks more native, more islander-like, basically a pure Filipino to us. He probably only has a small percentage of Australoid genes. Even lighter skin Filipinos have small percentage of Australoid genes. His body structure and demeanor comes off as a Filipino.
Peruvian surfer appears Native Indian to me and he probably doesn't have any recent SSA admixture either.
Afro-Peruvians don't look anything like him.
Nov 02, 2020 8:26 am
Thanks. Now I get a clearer picture now of Central Americans who can pass as Pinoy. The Belizean pic doesn't show up.
None of the Andeans I posted can pass?
The man on the left could pass up as a Filipino in rural areas/mountainous areas
The rest can't/would be recognized as foreigners?
The girl on left could pass up somewhat as Filipina, these are typically found in Filipino cities or in the states here in America but when she grows up I wouldn't be surprise if she looks more Latina than Filipina.
Would she pass as one of those Pinays with some European blood (to me she show minor Euro admix in her face)? The rest of the three women wouldn't pass?
He could pass up as Filipino Native in rural areas/mountainous areas although he does have a hook nose.
How typical is his look among rural or mountainous Filipino locals?
The lady on the left could pass up as Filipina.
There are Pinays who like the lady on the left? The rest of the two ladies would not pass?
Both men could pass up as typical Filipinos.
The men can pass while the women could not pass?
The third person(girl) could pass up as a Filipina in Filipino cities or here in the states.
I see. The rest of the people cannot pass?
Peruvians who could pass up as Filipinos are probably more common in Amazonian Rainforest but I wouldn't be surprise if they are around other areas in Peru. They might not be living like native people anymore, they likely have adapted to the modern city.
I understand what you wrote now. Yep, I those who can as Filipinos tend to be more of the Amazonian aka Brazilid phenotype. There are probably some Andeans who might also pass but it is probably much less common. Not sure about coastal natives.
Regarding the Peruvian surfer, what percentage of Filipinos look like him? His facial features which include the hook nose is common among native Pinoy islanders? I would have thought that Pinoys with his look would have quite good amount of Australoid admix because of his rather dark skin. But you mentioned that even lighter skin Filipinos have small australoid which is true.
The reason I thought he has some SSA admix is because his skin seems pretty dark. And because he reminds me a bit of this Peruvian footballer who according to users on Anthroscape, think he is Zambo or have a lot of African admix. They even think he can easily pass as South Indian or Bengali. He might have some Euro admix as well but his Caucasoid features could already come from the Andean Native type ancestry. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/pedro-aquino-peruvian-footballer-t85738.html
Do you think he looks like the Peruvian surfer or not really? Can the football player pass as Filipino or he can't/would be recognized as foreigner?
Nov 02, 2020 5:57 pm
Somehow Belizean pic shows up, do please click on the site. The site from the previous post of mine is also accessible now.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/403424079092065681/
If I don't mention the others on the pictures, then they wouldn't pass up as Filipinos to me.
The only way to find out for sure is to visit Peru.
There are Filipinos that look like the Peruvian surfer in Philippines and they are usually located in rural/mountainous regions however I do see them in cities. I've seen hook noses before but not as common. Several Southeast Asians could look as dark as the Peruvian surfer. They may have a higher percentage of Australoid genes but the only way to find out if they take a genetic test. I've seen them in groups as friends and family and some groups do have Negrito features while other groups don't have Negritos features. I've seen Negritos before and for the most part they look nothing like the Native Filipinos. The Negritos are not interacting with the local Filipinos regularly. The Negritos are not interbreeding with the Southeast Asians today, maybe in the remote past the Southeast Asians interbred with the Negritos but that was several generations back ago.
I haven't been to every region of the Philippines so I wouldn't be able to tell you what percentage. Manila city has some of these dark skin Native Filipinos but I doubt some are originally from the city as Manila continues to receive more Filipinos from other regions of the Philippines. The population of the Philippines has grown exponentially high even in the last 30 years or so and therefore there are now a higher population of these Native looking Filipinos.
The Peruvian soccer player could pass up as South Indian/ Bengali. He may have African genes since Peru has a sizeable population of them however his facial features are not African. The last pic however appears more Native compared to the first 3 pics shown. I did click on the site of the soccer player and posted them right below however his features are not African or have any recent African ancestry. He appears more Native Indian found in Amazonian Rainforest to me and maybe with some Caucasoid features.
Peruvian surfer is not as dark as the Peruvian soccer player shown on pic 1-3, but he does appear similar in hue and features in pic 4. The Peruvian surfer has a more rounder/wider face compared to the Peruvian soccer player.
Nov 02, 2020 8:27 pm
Thanks for the detailed answers. I really appreciated it. One thing I noticed is that the native types that you point out that can pass/blend in the Phils for some reason don't really pass here in Thailand and most of SE Asia which I also don't know why.
I looked at the Belizean pic and for some reason, she reminds me of some Pacific Islanders to me in her facial features.
I think the African genes in the Peruvian footballer is mainly expressed in his very swarthy skin; he seems to be darker than most Peruvians from the pics that I have seen. (I also haven't visit Peru or been to Lat Am, I learned all these stuff about Natives/Latins from reading and interacting with them online).
Can the Peruvian football player pass as the Phils or he cannot? Are there Filipinos who can be as dark as him?
Btw can the following Natives also pass as Pinoy or they can't? Have to state though that some of the pictures are not Amerindians but can easily pass/look like one according to what the Latin American users on another forum (The Apricity) told me.
I think these types of Natives look pretty different from Pinoys and won't pass.
1. First one is the president of Bolivia
2. Second guy is a Mexican actor around 80-90% Native phenotypically. 
The third guy is actually Moroccan rapper based in Germany but according to a lot of Latin American members in another forum, he can easily pass as Native American from Guatemala or Peru.
Fourth guy is a popular Mexican footballer. He is very tall, lanky and pretty dark. Facial feature is also pretty unique. I don't think he pass but I'm not sure.
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Video of him (I cannot speak/understand Spanish though; found the video by searching him up)
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She is actually of Central Asian (likely Uzbek) descent but from Saudi Arabia. However, many Latinos in another forum told me she can easily pass as someone who is around 75% Native Peruvian/Bolivian and 25% Euro.
These Tarahumaras also look very different and distinct from Pinoys/SE Asians despite the tanned skin and straight hair. What do you think? Can they pass or not?
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P.S.- I don't think any of the ones I posted here can pass. They will recognized easily as foreigners I believe in the Phils? But just want to hear your thoughts.
Nov 02, 2020 10:24 pm
Belizean pic does look similar to Filipinos that live in rural/mountainous areas where some may have Australoid genes. They normally stay in their region and rarely visit the cities. However I do see them less frequently in some Filipino cities but I've never seen them here in the states.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/403424079092065681/
The photo pic of the face of the Peruvian soccer players in the middle and right ( Pedro Aquino ) could pass up as Filipinos however Pedro is rather tall at 5'9" and he's comparable to only other tall Filipinos who plays basketball. On some other different pics, they look rather different and therefore they won't pass up as typical Filipinos. However there are Filipinos who are as dark as Pedro but they either have a higher percentage of Australoid genes in comparison or their skin has become dark due to adaptation to the heat and humidity. There are Filipinos with lighter skin that have as much Australoid genes as Filipinos with darker skin.
Joel Huiqui, Mexican soccer player, is the only person that could pass up as a Native Filipino that resides in rural/ mountainous areas. These Filipinos some times visit the cities but they normally stay in their region. There are some residing in some cities today however. They are normally not seen in the states. They may have a higher percentage of Australoid genes or their dark skin is an adaptation to the environment, heat and humidity. They are only interbreeding with their own kind and that's probably why they have those characteristics that are not common in Philippines.
Nov 03, 2020 5:28 am
Belizean pic does look similar to Filipinos that live in rural/mountainous areas where some may have Australoid genes. They normally stay in their region and rarely visit the cities. However I do see them less frequently in some Filipino cities but I've never seen them here in the states.
I see. She reminds me of some Pacific Islanders for some reason. Like I can easily see her being in one of Paul Gauguin's French Polynesian paintings lol:
The photo pic of the face of the Peruvian soccer players in the middle and right ( Pedro Aquino ) could pass up as Filipinos however Pedro is rather tall at 5'9" and he's comparable to only other tall Filipinos who plays basketball. On some other different pics, they look rather different and therefore they won't pass up as typical Filipinos. However there are Filipinos who are as dark as Pedro but they either have a higher percentage of Australoid genes in comparison or their skin has become dark due to adaptation to the heat and humidity. There are Filipinos with lighter skin that have as much Australoid genes as Filipinos with darker skin.
So his look is very uncommon/atypical overall? Would he still pass or locals can immediately tell he is a foreigner? Tbh, I feel he looks much more like a Bengali or South Indian/Sri Lankan than a Filipino.
Joel Huiqui, Mexican soccer player, is the only person that could pass up as a Native Filipino that resides in rural/ mountainous areas. These Filipinos some times visit the cities but they normally stay in their region. There are some residing in some cities today however. They are normally not seen in the states. They may have a higher percentage of Australoid genes or their dark skin is an adaptation to the environment, heat and humidity. They are only interbreeding with their own kind and that's probably why they have those characteristics that are not common in Philippines
Wouldn't Huiqui stand out among Pinoy locals from the rural/mountainous areas as he is around 184 cm and most Filipinos are much shorter than that? Also isn't his face more sharper (he show Caucasoid shifted features to me despite the dark skin) than most Pinos or you also rural/mountain ppl with sharp features like that as well?
It's interesting that you mentioned he could pass as a local from the mountainous/rural areas. But from your reply, I guess his look is rather rare/uncommon overall for the Phils? Because I asked other Filipinos and some of them told me he cannot pass/stand out while others wrote but he can, while some say he sort of pass but his look is rare. So I'm rather confused whether he can pass or would locals (including the mountain/rural Pinos) be able to tell he is not one of them?
It looks like the rest of Native Americans/people who look pseudo-Amerindian that I posted wouldn't pass? Very interesting. Even the Tarahumaras in the video that I post cannot pass? I have asked some users before and they believe that the only place Tarahumaras can pass in Asia is somewhere in Tibetan Plateau/Himalayas lol.
Anyways sorry for asking so many questions but I'm really interested/eager to know more about this topic hehe.
Nov 03, 2020 10:24 am
This pic, both Pedro and his teammate in the middle could pass up as Filipinos. Pedro's appearance is uncommon in the cities and towns, but it's more common in the Native Jungle Tribes in rural areas and in mountainous regions. The locals in the cities or towns would consider him a Native that lives in the jungles/mountains.
Natives in the rural/mountainous regions could be as dark or darker than Pedro, but these pics gives me the impression that he passes up as an South Indian/Bengali.
Some of the Natives in the rural/mountainous regions look like this but not as tall on average. I've seen some tall ones in the 6 ft. range but it's not common. The people in rural/mountainous regions are generally physically stronger than the average Filipino. Some resemble Australoid, Polynesian, Micronesian or Papuan body strength. Some have faces that do give me the impression that they have Caucasoid features. His face would not be common in Filipino cities or towns but it maybe common in his Native Tribes and other Tribes. I've only seen a few Native Tribes and therefore I could only provide information base on what I've seen. If I had to visit more Native Tribes, then I'm sure there would be more variety of features to mention. Unfortunately several Native Tribes areas are not accessible for even the typical Filipinos to trespass.
The Tarahumara runner could pass in the Philippines if the Filipino was a Mestizo even though the Tarahumara runner himself is probably a pure Native Mexican Indian.
Nov 04, 2020 6:32 am
This pic, both Pedro and his teammate in the middle could pass up as Filipinos. Pedro's appearance is uncommon in the cities and towns, but it's more common in the Native Jungle Tribes in rural areas and in mountainous regions. The locals in the cities or towns would consider him a Native that lives in the jungles/mountains.
Natives in the rural/mountainous regions could be as dark or darker than Pedro, but these pics gives me the impression that he passes up as an South Indian/Bengali.
I see. So one would think he is a foreigner even in the cities? Can you post some jungle tribes who resemble him?
I am guessing overall Pedro's look is rather rare/uncommon in the Philippines (as it seems to be restricted to rural/montainous tribes in remote areas) but not exotic enough for people to render him a foreigner either?
I believe that Natives who are as dark or darker than him must have a lot of Negrito or Australoid/Melanesian admixture higher than most Filipinos to be that swarthy.
Since Pedro can apparently pass, there must be some Bengalis/South Indians who can also pass as Filipinos from rural/mountainous areas?
Quoting You (the blockquote is hard to use): "Some of the Natives in the rural/mountainous regions look like this but not as tall on average. I've seen some tall ones in the 6 ft. range but it's not common. The people in rural/mountainous regions are generally physically stronger than the average Filipino. Some resemble Australoid, Polynesian, Micronesian or Papuan body strength. Some have faces that do give me the impression that they have Caucasoid features. His face would not be common in Filipino cities or towns but it maybe common in his Native Tribes and other Tribes. I've only seen a few Native Tribes and therefore I could only provide information base on what I've seen. If I had to visit more Native Tribes, then I'm sure there would be more variety of features to mention. Unfortunately several Native Tribes areas are not accessible for even the typical Filipinos to trespass."
So it seems like Huiqui will still stand out from the locals in rural/mountain areas due to his height alone because its uncommon for the Pinos there to be that tall like him?
Can you posted some pics of these mountain tribes/rural individuals and how they look like? Do these people stand out overall in the cities or urban areas due to their physical appearance or built. I think the Caucasoid features in some of them could come from Papuan/Melanesian (they can look pseudo-Caucasoid) or possible Indian admixture (there were Hinduized kingdoms in precolonial Philippines which I believe brought some South Asian ancestry?)
Looks like Huiqui is a similar case to Pedro: rather rare/uncommon pheno in the Phils (as it seems to be limited to rural/mountainous areas) but at the same time don't look exotic/alien enough for people to recognize him as foreigner?
I see. Thanks for describing the variation of looks in the Phils. I never know before that Pinos in rural/mountain/tribal areas can look so different from those living in cities or urban areas. I didn't notice this much difference in Thailand. Now I feel this country is less diverse than Philippines lol. Do you why its inaccessible for Filipinos to visit many of the indigenous areas?
Mmm if I understand you correctly, the Tarahumara runner can only pass as Mestizo in the Philippines, he won't pass as any other type of Pinoy? Would he be in the atypical/uncommon range as Mestizos/Hapas are, I dunno, less than 5% of the Phils' population? Does the runner really look that Caucasoid-influenced? And yes I believe he is pure/close to pure Mexican Indian. From what I learn from Latino users in Apricity (another forum), a lot of Native Mexicans can have Caucasoid-shifted features like sharper nose, longer face, robust jaws and stronger built despite having minor to no Euro admix. And that's what makes them look different/distinct from SE Asians despite also having black straight hair and tanned brown skin?
Looks like the other Tarahumaras in the video cannot pass as Pinoy/would stand out in the Philippines?
Nov 04, 2020 6:31 pm
Haven't seen pics that resembles him or his tribes because those pics are the typical Negritos in Philippines. Pedro would be considered by some as an outsider or someone who doesn't belong to the city however some people are probably use to seeing him or them. Some Filipinos would say he's foreign to this city but they wouldn't consider him or them as foreigners since they know that he or they are from the rural/mountainous regions. Several Filipinos are not related to him or them and that they don't regularly interact with them as much because they are not commonly seen however the typical Filipinos do consider them as Filipinos but not a foreigner from another country. The same could be said of the soccer player Huiqui.
Pedro would pass. There's one Native I saw in rural areas that could pass as South Indian/Bengali, so there has to be more of their kind.
The Caucasoid features could've have come from Papuan, Melanesian and other Australoid groups.
South Indians may have interbred with the Negritos in the remote past however there's no record of this. There has to be a genetic testing to verify if this ever happened. However they are not practicing Hinduism, their religion is Animism from I've been told.
I didn't ask them directly if I could visit them, I did ask some local Filipinos if it's possible to visit them and they said that they don't allow even local Filipinos to visit their tribes.
I've seen Mestizos that look like the Tarahumara runner however I would say also that I probably have seen a pure Filipino who also looks like the Tarahumara runner but that was awhile ago. He could pass up as a pure Filipino and others may view him as pure Filipino. There are some in Tarahumara Video who could pass up as Filipino also but not everyone however again that was awhile ago. I've only visited a few regions of the Philippines and therefore my assessment is base on what I've seen and visited only.
Nov 04, 2020 7:10 pm
Thanks again for the detailed reply. Did the native Filipino you saw really look like a South Indian/Bengali or just give some vibes? Is he an ethnic minority or just a rural Pinoy?
Very interesting that Pedro and Huiqui can still pass as a rural/mountain Pino. Because here in Thailand, they wouldn't pass- at least Pedro would really stand out from the crowd. Even in rural, mountain or among ethnic minorities. People here would immediately think he is Rohingya or some South Asian migrant I believe.
Huiqui would also stand out here due to his tall height alone.
Yep. Genetic testing is indeed. Although I have seen some genetic runs (using G25 by Davidski) where it seems to indicate that Negritos might have South Asian admixture from contact with Indians. I will posted them later. So I feel its possible that those rural/mountainous groups with Caucasoid-like features might have actual Indian admix.
Did they tell you the reason why they don't allow Filipinos to visited their tribes? Is it due to political situation or they just want to left alone and preserve their culture?
The Tarahumara runner is the man in white clothes right? Interesting that he can also pass as pure Pinoy. But his look is still a lot more common among Mestizos?
I see. But most of the Tarahumaras in the video cannot/would not pass?
That's fine. I really appreciated your knowledge and what you shared with me.
A few more please: can these Natives also pass as Filipino or they cannot? These ones I feel look much more like a Tibetan, Siberian or Central Asian.
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He is standing on the left in second pic.
2.The video is a bit unclear.
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7. Watched the video from around 4:00 onwards. The family of the Peruvian nomad can pass or won't? They look really unique to me. Although some reminds me a bit of Tibetans and Turkic Central Asians.
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Nov 04, 2020 7:58 pm
I saw one that does look like Pedro and he could pass up as South Indian/Bengali but he's not common in comparison to several other Negritos. Probably even among other Negrito tribes, him and his tribes would be considered different.
The Huiqui look is more commonly seen compared to Pedro but neither of them that I saw were as tall as Huiqui and Pedro.
They said that the tribes don't allow visitors for any reason but there's probably some Filipinos who have already visited their tribes.
Tarahumara runner is the man wearing white clothes.
The man to the right could pass as Filipino.
He could pass up easily as Filipino
The man could pass as a Filipino but some Filipinos would view him having a small percentage of East Asian ancestry.
The man could not pass as a pure Filipino but he definitely has more East Asian ancestry compared to the previous pic, his tall height and stiff body is not typically found among Southeast Asians.
The man in the video could pass up as Filipino with some other Asian ancestry. His body built and demeanor is similar to Filipinos.
He may have some Filipino features but overall he appears Native American Indian to me.
Peruvian family wouldn't pass up as pure Filipinos, however mother does comes closest to passing up as a Filipina. Filipinos who look like them would have to be Mestizos even though they are likely pure Native South American Indians.
Patagonian Indian people are too tall compared to Filipinos and Native South American Indians. He wouldn't be able to pass as Filipino.
Nov 04, 2020 8:38 pm
Ah ok. So the one who look like Pedro and can pass as South Indian/Bengali was a Negrito?
By neither of them were as tall as Pedro and Huiqui, you mean the Negritos?
Weird. Did you ever ask them why the tribes don't want Filipinos to visit them in the first place? It sounds like the tribes are holding a grudge against other Filipinos. I feel there must be some historical resentments and bad experiences for them to be like this; that is not allowing Filipinos to visit their tribes. According to you, look like some Pinoys already got to visit them, maybe you can too? 😛
Ah ok. So the man in white cloth. Ok he does look Caucasoid-influence in his facial features. You mentioned some other Tarahumara in the video can pass but not everyone. So most of them would not pass?
Fascinating. So it looks like the man on the right in second pic could pass. But the main guy in #1 (standing on the left in second pic) would not? Do you think the main guy of the two pics looks Siberian?
Number #3 can pass which is also interesting. How typical is his look among Filipinos? He does look East Asian tbh, but more of a Southern Chinese type.
Would people think Number #4 is a foreigner in the Philippines? I also think his height and built are not common for Filipino/SE Asians. Does it feel foreign to Filipinos since he seem to show more East Asian influence?
It actually surprised me a bit that number #5 (man in video) can pass. Because I thought he look rather NE Asian. Apparently he says that he can easily pass as Mongol as many Mongolians have mistaken him as one of their own. So it was astonishing to me to hear that he can pass as Filipino including his mannerisms and built.
Looks like number #6 would also not pass as Pinoy despite sharing some features?
What are you thoughts on #2, #7 and #8?
Which of the latest Native Americans I posted (8 individiduals) would have the most difficult time/least likely chance pass as Filipino? Im guessing its #1, #8 and #4?
Nov 05, 2020 4:07 am
The man who looked like Pedro was probably Negrito but he appears to have Caucasoid features unlike typical Negritos and as mentioned before neither were as tall as Pedro and Huiqui.
Negritos get along well with Filipinos and they could work together however when it comes to visiting their tribes, they usually only allow people of their own kind or people that looks like them. They told me that they only allow certain people such as teachers and medics but less likely visitors such as locals and tourist. They probably do allow some locals but I didn't ask.
Some runners, members won't pass up but there are some that would. Tarahumara runners appear more like Native American Indians to me.
pic 1. Ecuadorian Indian appearance with Siberian features.
pic 3. His features are somewhat common. There are Filipinos that do look like him.
pic 4. He would be viewed as a Filipino with East Asian ancestry. Some pure Filipinos who are not accustom to seeing them would viewed them as Asian immigrants which makes them a foreigner.
pic 5. There are Filipinos that look and act like him. I thought he was Filipino at first. He may have a lighter skin than typical Filipinos but I have seen Filipinos that do look like him with light skin.
pic 6. His face has some Filipino features but the body resembles Native American Indian.
In a previous post 2,7,8 has some responses.
1, 8, 4 were the least likely to pass up as Filipino.
Nov 05, 2020 5:31 am
Thanks again. My internet was pretty slow so I didn't initially see your responses for 2,7 and 8. But now I see them.
In the #7, by mother, you mean the mother of the Peruvian shepherd and not his wife (as in the mother of his daughters) ? Since they cannot pass as pure/native Filipino, how common are their looks among Mestizos? Or are their phenos also rare for Pinoy Mestizos to resemble them?
I also think #8 is very tall and he seems to have a lot of Siberian features like #1.
I assume Pinoys would immediately think #1 and #8 are foreigners from somewhere like Mongolia or Kazakhstan?
I see. Looks like #4 can hardly pass since you mentioned that some pure Filipinos would think he is an Asian immigrant and that in the previous reply, his tall height and rather stiff body is not common in Pinoys/other SE Asians.
Is the pheno of #3 more common among those in cities or rural/mountain areas?
I guess after #1, #8 and #4, it would be numbers 7, 6 and several Tarahumaras who would be the least likely to pass/would stick out?
Also I assume Pedro's and Huiqui's phenotypes are more common in the Phils than some of the Tarahumara runners that could pass?
I assume #5, #2 and #3 would be the most likely to pass/be mistaken as Pino?
Btw here are the Global 25 nmonte runs of Filipinos and Negritos.
Filipinos:
Target: Luzon
Distance: 1.0307% / 0.01030692
77.8 Igorot
12.0 Dai
5.6 MYS_LN
3.2 AASI_related_Sim
0.8 Esan_Nigeria
0.6 Papuan
Target: Vizayan
Distance: 1.4416% / 0.01441559
75.6 Igorot
9.8 MYS_LN
4.8 S_AASI_Sim(Hakkipikki)
3.8 Papuan
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.6 CHN_Miaozigou_MN
1.0 Levant_ISR_C
0.6 Dinka
Negritos:
Target: Aeta
Distance: 2.5726% / 0.02572555
60.4 Igorot
14.2 Simulated_AASI
11.2 Papuan
4.2 AASI_related_Sim
3.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.4 Esan_Nigeria
1.0 Spanish_Extremadura
1.0 TUR_Barcin_N
0.8 Dinka
Target: Agta
Distance: 3.1496% / 0.03149598
60.0 Igorot
12.6 Simulated_AASI
12.2 Papuan
5.2 AASI_related_Sim
3.4 Esan_Nigeria
2.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.6 TUR_Barcin_N
1.4 Dinka
1.0 Spanish_Extremadura
Target: Batak (another Negrito tribe from Phils)
Distance: 2.5424% / 0.02542419
60.6 Igorot
14.6 Simulated_AASI
10.4 Papuan
6.6 MYS_LN
1.8 Esan_Nigeria
1.6 LAO_LN_BA
1.4 GEO_CHG
1.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 TUR_Barcin_N
0.6 Dinka
0.2 Levant_ISR_C
0.2 TKM_Gonur3_BA
Other ethnic minorities:
Target: Bajo (Bajau sea gypsies I believe- not sure if the samples are from Philippines or Indonesia)
Distance: 0.9329% / 0.00932872
52.6 Igorot
22.8 MYS_LN
16.6 Papuan
3.2 Simulated_AASI
3.0 LAO_LN_BA
0.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.2 AASI_related_Sim
0.2 Dinka
0.2 Levant_ISR_C
Notice how the Negritos seem to score a significant amount of AASI (Ancient Ancestral South Indian) and minor West Eurasian aka Caucasoid (Spanish_Extremadura, TKM_Gonur, Yamnaya, TUR_Barciin, Levant_ISR) components? This could indicate that they have some Indian ancestry as South Asians are a mainly mix between AASI+West Eurasian. That could explains why the Negrito that you saw has Caucasoid features, he could have this ancient Indian-related ancestry.
Also noticed how the Luzon (there is only one sample on Global 25) individual doesn't have any West Eurasian/Caucasoid while the Vizayan (there is also only one sample on Global 25 sadly) seem to have almost 4% West Eurasian (Yamnaya+Levant_ISR)? It means that the Vizayan Filipino individual could have South Asian or even West Asian-related ancestry (Levant_ISR is a signal for Arab admixture). What's interesting is the individual doesn't score any of the Spanish_Extremadura suggesting that he/she has no Euro admix and that all of the Caucasoid he/she is scoring is not European. Also not to mention that the Vizayan has almost 5% AASI which is a signal of Indian affinity.
The Bajo samples also seem to have some Indian ancestry as can be seen by the AASI and minor West Eurasian.
Nov 05, 2020 5:13 pm
Nov 06, 2020 2:13 am
Nov 05, 2020 6:49 pm
The mother of the Peruvian shepherd. The Peruvian mother's appearance is not common where I was at and traveled to. I'm sure it's common in other places that I've yet to visit. It would have to be a Filipino Mestiza to resemble the mother.
pic 1 and 8 would resemble someone from Mongolia or Kazak
pic 3 is visible in cities and farmland. He's not actually among the most common type but there are people that do look like him.
pic 7 and 6 right after 1, 8, 4
The Tarahumara runner(main) phenotype is probably more common in Philippines if I visited those Filipino cities but he probably would had to have Spanish Ancestry. His phenotype is more commonly seen than the Huiqui phenotype which is more common than the Pedro phenotype.
pic 2, 5, 3 in that order as passing up most likely as pure Filipinos.
Target: Vizayan
Distance: 1.4416% / 0.01441559
75.6 Igorot
9.8 MYS_LN
4.8 S_AASI_Sim(Hakkipikki)
3.8 Papuan
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.6 CHN_Miaozigou_MN
1.0 Levant_ISR_C
0.6 Dinka
Thanks for the information.
The man I saw in Visayan Region that could pass up as South Indian/ Bengali probably has AASI ( Ancient Ancestral South Indian ). He appeared different compared to the others around him. He had Caucasoid features and built stronger in comparison even though the others were Malay - Negritos who were also built stronger than typical Filipinos. He probably doesn't know that he was a South Indian descendant. He does reside in rural/mountainous regions. These Australoid people however do appear in cities during festivals and holidays and then they return back to where they originally came. The usually arrive in the city in family size groups. The most common I see in the city are the Aeta type. I've seen the Agta type before with reddish hue on their hair when they were kids/teenagers. I also have seen some other Negritos in Boracay Island where one European foreigner did ask the tourist guide if he could go backpacking in the jungle and the tourist guide responded that nobody is allowed fearing that they will trespass and encounter the Negrito tribes who are actually considered friendly people.
This is enough for now, discussion has deviated from the op.
Nov 05, 2020 4:31 pm
@prau123
Can you reply to my latest post please? I am so sorry for how wordy my posts are.
There might be contamination from Filipino genes which might explain the similarity. This genetic study found that 1/3rd of the people sampled from Guerrero, Mexico have Filipino genes.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/latin-america-s-lost-histories-revealed-modern-dna
Nov 01, 2020 10:01 pm
I would not call indigenous non-mestizo a minorities, when they are around 20-30% of the country. Not every Amerindian have hook or pointy nose.
I would pick Bolivia over Peru and Guatemalans.
Nov 02, 2020 3:10 am
Do most of these Amerindians belong to the Andean or Amazonian type? If they are mainly Amazonians, the amount of those who can pass will be higher as a lot of Amazonians can have a very Asiatic facial features with similar height and built.
Only the girl in the middle with glass might pass in my opinion. The rest don't look Filipino or would pass imo. Also the girl second from the right seems to show some European admix in her facial features.
Nov 03, 2020 4:33 pm
Amerindians means any member of the peoples living in North or South America before the Europeans arrived. They were our ancestors before we got colonized.
Amerindians mixed with a Southern European would look something like this
Jun 14, 2020 10:01 pm
Some Brazilian natives such as the Botocudo Tribe have been found to have Polynesian DNA. The Surui Tribe in Brazil are considered Australasian. There were others also. Scientist know they crossed the Pacific Ocean but they haven't been able to find out how they crossed the Andean Mountain. It's likely they took the southern route to Tierra del Fuego and then proceeded either on foot or they sailed alongside the eastern side of the coastlines of South American continent until they reached Brazil. The sea passage in and around Tierra del Fuego is rather dangerous to cross with strong waves and winds. The journey on foot to Brazil is favorable in comparison.
There are some Asian groups that have migrated there in the last century or so and therefore those pics are maybe them. Native American Indians did cross to America from Siberia through the Bering Strait and Aleutian Islands and then they eventually made their way down to Brazil and throughout South America.
Jun 20, 2020 4:26 pm
wow you did your homework. what gave you the interest to study Latin America?
Jun 21, 2020 4:54 pm
In general, I enjoy learning culture and archaeology. I grew up here in SoCal, I wanted to know the culture, archaeology and to some degree the history.
Jul 17, 2020 11:13 pm
Jul 17, 2020 3:59 pm
There are Filipinos in Mexico, I will make a thread about it next time I log in.
Aug 01, 2020 3:42 pm
Jul 17, 2020 10:36 pm
Filipinos arrived in Mexico as early as 1565 during the Manila-Acapulco Galleon Trade.
Filipinos also arrived in Morro Bay, California in 1587 which at the time was considered Native America Indian land. California and other states became New Spain in 1769 and then it belonged to Mexico in the early 1800's until it became part of the U.S. in the mid 1800's.
Wikipedia
There are approximately 1,200 Filipino nationals residing in Mexico.[2] In addition to this, genomic studies indicate that about a third of people sampled from Guerrero have Asian ancestry; with genetic markers matching those of the populations of Indonesia and the Philippines.[3]
Their descendants are found in communities particularly in the state of Guerrero, and Colima.
Aug 01, 2020 7:02 pm
I'll make a thread for you guys about Filipinos in Mexico, I hope you guys will find it informative.
Aug 06, 2020 11:15 pm
The natives of North and South America have very unique looks to them. Having been isolated from the rest of Asia for so long, their appearances have evolved to be distinctive from Southeast Asians. Some Filipinos like Serulong may passes for a Mexican in picture, but a real Mexican would normally be twice his size. The average Mexican woman has D cups and weighs around 170lbs. Average Mexican guys wear XL (extra large) clothing or larger. Southeast Asians don't normally get that big, except for Polynesians.
Elongated features and aquiline noses. Even if they were to be genetically mixed with the Spaniards, the underlying bone structures would still be there.
Oct 31, 2020 5:44 am
@rambo
I don't think any of those Natives there would pass as Pinoy. Their facial features and bone structures are too different imo.
I also don't think these types of Natives would pass or blend in. Too unique and distinct facial features and bone structures.
Second guy is around 80-90% Native phenotypically from Mexico.
The third guy is actually Moroccan but can easily pass as Native from Guatemala or Peru.
This guy also won't pass imo. He is very tall, lanky and pretty dark. Facial feature is also pretty unique.
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She is actually of Central Asian (likely Uzbek) descent but from Saudi Arabia. Many Latinos in another forum told me she can easily pass as an Andean Native.
These Tarahumaras also very different and distinct from Pinoys/SE Asians despite the darker skin and straight hair. I also don't think they pass.
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