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What is your opinion about us?

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Artist, architects and engineers, soccer nation, creative and practical people, sociable people, big families, extravagant lifestyle, fashion conscious, history and culture, Roman Catholics, big beautiful churches and architectures, culinary cuisines such as pizza, pasta, spaghetti and a few desserts and wines and sports cars.

 

My understanding is that Roman civilization was the most influential to the world.  Our modern cities today modeled itself after Roman cities - schools, roads, streets, court house, malls, fast food, markets, banks, church, government, military and plus more.

 

 

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Wow Thank You

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you are welcome, however Italians are regionalistic minded people and therefore the common perception may vary from region to region.

 

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can you tell the difference?

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Some times, but most of the time I can't tell the difference.  

 

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Basically Corsicans are ethnically Italians.

 

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Some parts of my town have Italian bishops and settlers in thee founding thats because in the early Spanish era, Milan and Sicily used to be part of the Spanish Empire.

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what do you mean by settlers?

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Italian colonists.  (Parts of Italy was under the Spanish Empire)

 

We have Italian surname like Piamonte and Milano in our town's Cathedral founder registry.

Its not surprising to find Italians acrose the Spanish empire since many were hired as explorers and soldiers by Spain, the most famous one was Christopher Colombus.

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Christopher Colombus is the most famous in the Americas although the New World was named after Amerigo Vespucci. 

In Philippines, the most famous would have to be Antonio Pigafetta, a Venetian-Italian scholar and explorer who was onboard Magellan's historic voyage around the world.  He was recognize for documenting our languages, culture, plants, and did a journal report on events that took place on the islands of the Philippines.  He also mapped out a few islands before Magellan's crew arrived to the Philippines such as Mariana Island including Guam and when they arrived on the Philippines he mapped out Cebu, Bohol, Mactan and drew pictures of our people with tattoos.  After they left the Philippines, he mapped out islands from our neighboring countries such as Borneo, Moluccas Islands ( Spice Islands), East Timor-Leste of Indonesia. Europeans for the first time saw a world that was completely new, different and far away since Marco Polo made his famous exploration on land and sea in the 1300's

There were several hundreds of people onboard Magellan's voyage and yet only a handful made it back alive arriving in Spain in 1522 as they become the first people to circumnavigate the globe although Magellan himself wasn't able to complete this journey and was replace by Juan Elcano.  Without Antonio Pigafetta's journals, we would have not known any of these historical events today.  He also documented possibly the first person to circumnavigate the globe.  His name - Enrique of Malacca and he has been referred to as a Filipino in some articles since he was able to communicate effectively with the Cebuano people of the Philippines in 1521.

 

 

 

 

Antonio Pigafetta

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Pigafetta

 

 

 

 

Antonio Pigafetta's statue in Vicenza, Italy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Antonio Pigafetta's statue in Cebu Island, Philippines

 

 

 

 

 

 

Antonio Pigafetta's Map of the  Philippines (Visayan Region)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Antonio Pigafetta's documented some Filipino words in his journal.

 

 

Antonio Pigafetta Bisaya Glossary

 

 

 

 

 

https://specials.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/242606-bringing-home-pigafetta-manuscripts/index.html

 

 

Taghai, bolan, songhot, adlo, abaca, sabun, ayam, ido, balay, boloto,” reads Filipino historian Ian Alfonso.

(Cup, star, moon, sun, cloth material, shirt, dog, house, small boat.)

These ancient Bisaya words leap from a digital copy of a 16th century French manuscript – one version of the account of a Venetian named Antonio Pigafetta, the first Westerner to document the Bisaya language.

 

 

 

 

 

Video:  Antonio Pigafetta 

 

 

 

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How often do Filipinos have names like Piamonte, Milano?  

Do you have the source where I can find the founder's registry? 

Milano sounds more like an Italian Jew. Are there Jews in the Philippines too? 

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Italian surnames aren't common but they can be occasionaly seen. I don't think our church has its' founders' registry online but I have pics of the French, Italian and Spanish mestizos who's cenotaphs are engraved in the Cathedral's walls. 

 

I'll post pics.

Piamonte our Italian first Archbishop

 

French Surnames

 

 

 

It's strange how we have alot of prominent French Mestizo families in the Cathedral Registry but only 1 Italian Archbishop, when Spain actually colonized Italy but didn't invade France.

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Some Filipinos have the last name Lamera which is also found in Lombardia region in Italy and in several countries around the world.  The surname arrived in Philippines through Spain.

 

 

 

 

Global Map:  Lamera

 

 

https://forebears.io/surnames/lamera

 

 

 

 

 

Italian Map:  Lamera

 

 

https://www.namespedia.com/details/Lamera

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Surname Lamera

 

 

 

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burial date 1990's & 2000's. I don't think they were Italians

Somewhere in the range of 1504 and 1713, half of Italy (on occasion in excess of a half) had a place with Spain. During the eighteenth century, numerous Italian areas were administered by individuals from Spanish decision family and kept up close connections with Spain. So it was very normal for individuals from one Spanish-controlled land to move to another Spanish-administered land.

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Hello!

 

I'm an old member that's sort of new here, with my first post!

 

I have a fairly good opinion of Italians given the general image I have that's very rose-tinted of them, their history & not to mention my love of cinema & their immense contribution.  My biggest crushes are Al Pacino and Alain Delon (who is sort of half Italian).  But I've never met an Italian & never been to Italy so it's a very idealistic image.

 

My father otoh who has been to Italy several times, has a negative opinion.  But perhaps it's only negative to be a Devil's advocate to my naive rose-tinted image & he was just trying to shake me, lol! 🙂

 

 

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When did your papa arrive? what caused your dad to have negative opinion? 

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@ciccotelli  My father died last october from colon cancer.  But he was an airline pilot & traveled frequently, Italy was one of the places he traveled often to.

My father is a major introvert, conservative, & very reserved so he doesn't like extroverts or loud people, & Italians have a reputation for being extroverted (but so are many Filipinos).  But I don't think he disliked Italians really, he was just bad-mouthing them for my benefit because like I said, I have a very romanticized image of them based on films alone & reading the history of the people.  He was basically being an extremist just to bring me down to reality, lol.

 

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I am so sorry to hear what happen to your father, my condolences to your father & family. 

I hope you visit Italy someday and find out for yourself 😊 There are a Filipinos here that speak Italian fluently. Filipinos integrate very well unlike other ethnic groups. 

 

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I would love to go to Italy, especially Rome, visit all the historical places, the colosseum, the Vatican, that Filipino restaurant that supposedly is divine!

 

Also I love the Italian language, it's the most musical to me out of all the Latin languages.  & you can't deny the immense contribution both Rome, & later Italy, have done for the West.  Just think of Hollywood,  Italian Americans are a minority in the US but their effect on the culture & films are astounding, why have such a small group had such a big impact?  In food, in films, in the arts, even fashion, it seems in every aspect of the West, Italy has contributed about 30% of it.  & the best film of all time IMO The Godfather films & the best actor I have the honor of witnessing in his lifetime, Al Pacino, are both Italian ethnically/culturally.

 

So yeah, I would love to visit one day! 🙂

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It seems as if you have a positive perception when it comes to Italians, would you like to share?

 

 

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Have you been to America before?  I do get the impression that you have traveled before outside of the Philippines

 

 

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Yes but it has been a long time.

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Italians are cool but Trudeau thinks Italians are like ISIS Jihadi fighters.

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I find this offensive 😡 

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Do you mean Italians-Italians or Italians Ameircans? 

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both to whoever you had experiences with 

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ITALIAN American teens ( New York) are seen as cool, swagy, Unique slangs. Italians have the same swag as black and hispanic people LOL. 

 

The Italian teens in my school were members of the crips gangs ( black based gang) lol. 

I don't mean to be negative. 

 

 

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I like Italians, most of the Italians usually show love just like we do. I met some Italian-Americans in the U.S army who were really good to me 🙂 

pace e amore! 

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Italians Americans are very right wing and a huge Trump supporters just like you. I consider Trump politics very childish. 

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The Filipinos I met are generally welcoming people 😀, I went to a Filipino church once and the people were wonderful. 

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I don't consider them real Italians but Americans, I find them a misrepresentation of us. I would advise you not to learn Italian from New Yorkers. 

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Super Mario Bros 35 available today.

 

https://screenrant.com/super-mario-35-battle-royale-nintendo-switch-free/

 

 

 

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Pizza! 😍 

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Filipinos in Manila, America and Canada will likely mention Pizza but in the provinces of the Philippines they would likely mention Spaghetti instead.  The locals in the provinces are accustomed to cooking and eating Filipino Spaghetti at their home, restaurants, and parties. Filipinos use either tomato sauce or banana sauce, ground beef or hot dog, mozzarella cheese (Carabao cheese), carbonara sauce or cheddar cheese and oregano spice.

 

 

 

 

Filipino Spaghetti 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carbonara  Filipino style

 

 

 

 

 

 

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there is pizza everywhere now in the Philippines

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Pizza is popular now everywhere in the Philippines however Filipinos in the provinces only eat it mainly on special occasions since it is somewhat expensive to purchase. Filipinos Spaghetti fits their daily budget and the amount of serving could satisfy 2 or more people sometimes.  Today there are some Filipino pizza franchises and they do attract a lot of customers during prime time however there are not enough well known fast food chains that serves pizzas as of yet.  For example, Jolli Bee serves Filipino Spaghetti and it is a favorite meal among youngsters.

  

At home, several Filipinos make their own spaghetti, while only a handful of Filipinos in such places as in Manila actually could make their own pizza.

 

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Have you tried real authentic Italian pizza 😍 

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What does that mean? pizza are usually serve by Italians. 

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What is an authentic Italian pizza?
 
 
 
With real italian pizza, you will find homemade sauce made from freshly peeled tomatoes and a blend of savory, complimenting herbs. You will also notice that authentic Italian pizza doesn't combine the toppings and sauce to be cooked together. They simply layer the sauce along the crust.

 

 

 

 

 

Authentic Italian Pizza is more healthier since some ingredients are not considered process food and the crust is not as thick compared to here in America.  The thicker the crust, the more carbs which is considered unhealthy.  Original Italian Pizzas are cooked inside a brick-wood fired ovens ( aka a Pizza kiln ) somewhere between 800 degrees to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. 

 

 

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American pizza is served differently from authentic Italian pizza.

Authentic pizza has more crisper crust.

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I'm sure you know it already but here's some more differences.

 

American Pizzas have commercialize names like meat-lover pizza, pepperoni pizza, veggie pizza, cheese pizza, supreme pizza.  

Dessert pizza or fruit pizza and nutella pizza are American Pizzas also.

 

Authentic Italian Pizzas are usually named after regions, provinces, sur names, famous people, family names, etc. 

Each region has their own trademark pizza. 

Several generation family owned pizza places have their own unique recipes.

Italians prefer to use one meat as a topping while in America they like to combine it with other meat toppings such as meat-lover pizza and loaded meat pizza which contains pepperoni, meatballs, bacon, ham, sausage and plus more.

 

In America, they deliver pizzas by car mainly but in Italy they deliver by mopeds or scooters or they don't provide pizza delivery.

 

 

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Okay, Thanks for the tip. I will look for more authentic pizza in the future. I can tell that the crust looks better than the American pizza. 

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Italians value family just like we do. The family doesn't eat until the father and mother aren't on the table.

 

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Filipinos are very religious just like we are. 

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6 Ways Italians Are Just Like Latinos

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Italian and Puerto Rican neighborhoods in NYC.

 

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Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn. 

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Those places still makes pizza the old fashion way which is hand tossed pizza. A Pizzeria in every block.  The original NY Style Pizza is one dish that everyone should try at least once.

 

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New York Pizza is the best even better than the authentic pizza from Italy. 

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They are all delicious to me.  Original Italian pizza is the Margherita Pizza and it's among my favorites.  I also like the Chicago - Style Deep Dish Pizza.

 

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Pizza served at the California Pizza Kitchen is fine and they have a variety of toppings to choose from,  plus it's healthier than some pizza places. 

 

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This is so true 😆 

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I wish the mobster stereotype would disappear

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 is hard for it to disappear with Al Pacinos great movies

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Italy's traditional dress is similar to ours 

National Attire of the Philippines: Traditional Filipino Clothing

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Picturesque pose and the outfit has a Spanish style.

 

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what is the Filipino traditional dress called?

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Italia is the big moma of the world wide Latin Culture from Philippines to France.

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Phoenician & Greece are older than Latin

 

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But Filipinos and Latin Americans are not related to Phoenecian and Greek Cultures but we are related to Roman Culture and read and write in a Latin Script and Romance language.

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In ancient times, the Greeks migrated to Italy and today their ethnic group makes up the largest population in Southern Italy.  Greek immigrants helped to create the Latin language in Italy.  Today, Greeks in Southern Italy are considered Italians.  

Italians in the northern half are more closely related to Spaniards and Southern French.

 

 

Southern Italians are closest to the Greeks (as the historical region of Magna Graecia, "Great Greece", bears witness to),[19] while the Northern Italians are closest to the Spaniards and southern French.

 

 

 

 

The Latin alphabet is derived from the Etruscan and Greek alphabets and ultimately from the Phoenician alphabet.

 

 

 

 

 

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Latin language was the main language during Roman times while Greek language was the second language. 

Latin alphabets appear similar to Greek alphabets.

 

 

 

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