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read the entire article in the link. Provocative and true for the most part. 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/04/charles_murrays_wake_up_call_on_race_problems.html

Murray disputes the fashionable assumption that racial discrimination creates social inequities.  The reality, says Murray, is that racial inequalities in America between European- and African-heritage people in health, wealth, position, status, and income can be traced to a significant disparity in African Americans’ cognitive ability and criminal behavior.  The inequalities are also present to a lesser degree for Latin-heritage people.

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The reverse is true for Asians, who have higher IQs and socioeconomic success than Europeans.  Murray holds to the conviction that American society is not pervasively and irredeemably riddled with racism and that meritocratic America is egalitarian and emphasizes individual opportunity, rewards, and accountability.  As Murray points out, if the pipeline to particularly high achievement is considered, the number of high IQ persons in that pipeline is colorblind. 

Murray’s view of the disparate higher rate of criminality in the African and Latin communities is a separate analysis that has to do with how members of a group fit into the society as good citizens.  If your group has a violent crime rate 2 or 3 times or more than the rate of the Europeans and Asians, that

….For example, Murray estimates that of the 23 million Americans who are in their late twenties, there are currently about 228,000 with I.Q.s in excess of 135. That pool contains only about 2,800 Africans and 9,500 Latins, compared to 50,000 Asians and 160,000 Europeans.  Africans are about 14% of the population but represent only slightly more than 1% of the 135 IQ plus pool -- or about 1 in every 100 people headed for high-level jobs or professions.  So the pipeline to high achievement is dominated by Asians and Europeans (whites).  Such realities create inequities that have nothing to do with racism.

 

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Murray’s opponents continue to cling to the theory that racism creates inequities, and demand a war on structural racism and systematic racism. But Murray is skeptical about the chances to change the fundamental reason for the inequities: cognitive differences.  There is no known way to raise IQs and reduce inequalities in cognition, but Murray points out that genetic determination of IQ is somewhere between 40 and 80%.

What about the role of racial gaps in criminal offending? Murray’s message can be simply stated: Africans and Latins commit crimes, especially violent crimes and homicide, at higher rates than other groups in American society. Europeans, and especially Asians, are much less involved in criminal activity.  Especially in minority-heavy urban centers, violence is almost exclusively committed by Africans and Latins and is intraracial, or between, Africans and Latins. Asians and Europeans take a pass. 

Murray tallies criminal activity reports and rates of unlawful violence among Africans and finds that it is as much as 9 to 11 times that of the background population.  Latin crime rates lag but still are higher. The left has faulted Murray’s evidence on crime, claiming police racism, but criminal involvement is far more common among Africans than in other demographic groups.  For violent crime, Murray emphasizes that police bias is much less of a factor in decisions to arrest.

Murray asserts effectively that crime creates community disorder and civil chaos that damage racial relations and certainly impacts the residents, due to the high rate of black-on-black or Latin-on-Latin crime, particularly violent crime.  But this differential crime rate also impacts the choices of other groups on starting or maintaining businesses or choosing homes. Widespread residential de facto segregation is directly related to security and crime issues.  The reality is that elites who claim to be social justice supporters choose high-end neighborhoods, avoiding contact with minorities except for minorities of their social strata.

The American meritocracy that Murray promotes requires dismantling the Diversity Equity Inclusion (DIE) governmental business and academic bureaucracies, now well developed and able to preserve their hegemony.  At present these bureaucracies are blind to the realities Murray discusses.

In The Bell Curve, which was my introduction to Murray 30 years ago, Murray and Herrnstein emphasized that civil conduct and the adoption of sensible and moral social behavior will overcome some of the disadvantages of a lower IQ.  Marriage and work create an ordered personal life that extends to community

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trying to turn minorities against each other will not work here. 

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@athena Do you think whites are superior to blacks?

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@athena  You sound like a white supremacist

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@naval how did I sound like a white supremacist?

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@athena the bell curve is used by white supremacist to justify the existence of planned parenthood

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@naval prove it. Are you saying the author of the study is a white supremacist?

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@athena you want abortion legal in black community so you can control their population right?

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@naval that’s a poorly formulated assumption on your part.

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Listen to yourself. Abortion is legal for everybody, not just blacks. And who started the abortion for black, yes! It was the progressives of the 1920s, the social justice warriors who brought abortion to the negroes in order to improve their lot in life. These social justice warriors posited blacks had lower prosperity because they had too many children. Make birth control readily obtain can help them with achieving success. Come to think of it, really not a bad concept, because in todays society, people who are more successful tend to have less children because they’re too busy working. You find a lot more meth head moms or low IQ moms running around have sex while stoned and give birth to a bunch of mental health cases.

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@athena So you do support killing black babies, I got it 😠 . typical Nazi mindset you have. if the babies are white like you then you support push for social workers & more resources  to uplift the lost generation of white kids.  it's very clear to me that black lives don't matter to you, only white lives. 

 

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@naval I support early abortion for all races. Who supported killing black babies? Planned parenthood, a leftist organization. Why don’t you go talk to them?

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@athena 

 

Planned Parenthood finally admits that its founder was a horrific bigot (nypost.com)

facts are facts

Just four years ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America did admit it was wrong of Sanger to speak to the Ku Klux Klan in 1926. 

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U.S. Eugenics: When a Low I.Q. Meant Sterilization

As shocking as it sounds, eugenics was a practice made popular by an American social engineering movement in the 1920s and 30s. Today, the victims of the program want redress.

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North Carolina legislators are trying to determine how to compensate victims of the nation’s most ambitious sterilization program, an extension of a social engineering philosophy that targeted America’s poor starting in the 1920s. Many states had sterilization programs in the first half of the 20th century, but none were so aggressive as North Carolina’s. The state typically used I.Q. tests or folksy assessments like being ‘oversexed’ to select candidates. Consent given for the procedure was often coerced, e.g. welfare payments could be held over families’ heads.

What’s the Big Idea?

It is frightening to consider that the Greatest Generation bore witness to such a dangerous social engineering program. To be sure, it was not a policy that had a democratic mandate. “Wealthy businessmen, among them James Hanes, the hosiery magnate, and Dr. Clarence Gamble, heir to the Procter & Gamble fortune, drove the eugenics movement. … The program affected black Americans disproportionately because they were more often poor and uneducated and from large rural families.”

U.S. Eugenics: When a Low I.Q. Meant Sterilization - Big Think

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@naval no such plan. Right now you can’t even sterilize drug addicts who go around having indiscriminate sex. You’re paranoid.

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@athena we live in the 21st century 🙄 racists don't wear white hoods or wear swastika anymore. they have rebranded do what you are parroting

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@naval You are brain washed, narrow minded, lack the ability to think independently and lack critical thinking skills. You  talked about eugenics that has nothing to do with my article. IQ studies are not racist. The article I cited said nothing about eugenics. So who’s the parrot? You saw a mention IQ study and bleep bleep, a triggered light goes on and you have to shoot it down by linking it to a warped development of eugenics.  By the way, who was a supporter of eugenics, your very own patron saint margaret Sanger who found planned parenthood, other “progressive” blacks whites who were promoting “social justice”. Sounds familiar. Here’s an excerpt from the negro project started by Sanger and the social justice warriors of the 1920’s

Negro Project — 1939–1942
Sanger began what was called the “Negro Project”
in 1939 — alongside Black leaders like W.E.B. DuBois, Mary McLeod Bethune, and Rev. Adam Clayton Powell — to bring access to birth control to Black communities in the South. The advisory council called it a “unique experiment in race-building and humanitarian service to a race subjected to discrimination, hardship, and segregation (Chesler, 1992).”
In a letter to philanthropist Albert Lasker, from whom she hoped to raise funds for the project, Sanger wrote that she wanted to help
“a group notoriously underprivileged and handicapped to a large measure by a ‘caste’ system that operates as an added weight upon their efforts to get a fair share of the better things in life. To give them the means of helping themselves is perhaps the richest gift of all. We believe birth control knowledge brought to this group, is the most direct, constructive aid that can be given them to improve their immediate situation” (Sanger, 1939, July).
In 1942, she wrote again to Lasker, saying
“I think it is magnificent that we are in on
the ground floor, helping Negroes to control their birth rate, to reduce their high infant and maternal death rate, to maintain better standards of health and living for those already born, and to create better opportunities for those who will be born” (Sanger, 1942).
The Negro Project was also endorsed by prominent white Americans who were involved in social justice efforts at this time, including Eleanor Roosevelt and medical philanthropists, Albert and Mary Lasker, whose financial support made the project possible (Chesler, 1992).
The mission of the Negro Project was to put Black doctors and nurses in charge of birth control clinics to reduce mistrust of a racist health care system. However, Sanger lost control of the project, and Black women were sent to white doctors for birth control and follow-up appointments, deepening the racist and paternalistic problems of health care in the South (“Birth Control or Race Control,” 2001).
Division of Negro Service — 1940–43
Sanger’s Birth Control Federation of America, which became Planned Parenthood Federation of America in 1942, established a Division of Negro Service
to oversee the Negro Project and to implement Sanger’s educational outreach to Black communities nationally. Sponsored by Sanger’s fundraising efforts

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whites and planned parenthood has already admitted their racists motives. 

Palin: Planned Parenthood Wants To Kill Black Babies - YouTube

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@naval glad you agreed, leftists, social justice warriors like you are racist!

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@athena IQ test are related to eugenics, even zexsy said the real purpose of the I.Q test was to weed out the retarred from schools.

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@naval look at you. We don’t call them ‘retarded’ anymore, we call them intellectual disabled now. Ironman should clarify what he meant by ‘weeding out’ the retarded. In this day and age disabled people have a lot of rights so no way they get harmed. Weeding out may just mean separate them out so they could get special services.

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@athena call spade a spade. anyone who does not disown systemic racism are a hidden whistleblower racist. I can clearly see you don't want blacks entering the same schools as Whites or East Asians. 

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@naval I don’t want blacks to be in the same school as Asian? How did you come to that conclusion?

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@athena You said it yourself that population control of unwanted blacks is not a bad thing.

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@naval I didn’t say that. YOU said it.

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@athena please, your white privilege isn't going to save you. That is why you feel triggered when people of color are finally catching up.

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@naval IQ test are also used to identify the needy so they could get service. There are different uses for the test. You are brainwashed to see all the problems in America is due to racism.

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@athena America has 400 years of anti blackness history. So, please study black history & stop white washing history.

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@naval I know black history better than you which doesn’t say much because you know next to nothing.

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@athena white explaining to people of color about their own history does not make you an expert

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@naval you don’t have to be the same race to understand something. You obviously hold yourself as an expert in black and Chinese opression even when your neither. If you can talk about them so can I.

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@athena I'm part of the movement while you are not.

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@naval sorry supporting a movement does not make you an expert.

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@naval you are so ignorant. I don’t think you understand what eugenics is.

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@athena stop white washing history eugenics has always been part of society.

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@naval answer my question. What is eugenics?

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  1. the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.
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I.Q differences is as real as comparing the differences between iPhone and Android. Now, thre next question is how do we increase the I.Q of the uneducated people. 

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@dyno IQ is a standardized ways of measuring cognitive intelligence. I didn’t pasted entire the article here. When you click on the link and read to the end. There are a couple of points. One is IQ correlates with success.  2 Is criminality can be reduced by stressing moral conducts. For example, if you don’t have the cognitive ability then a job as a scientist may not be a good choice. However, if you have good values such as honesty and hard work, you won’t resort to crimes. You may for example find other ways to make an honest living. You may not be an intellectual giant but you may be good with your hands. Plenty of people who are not intellectuals who can make a very nice living in trades: carpentry, plumbing, labor, construction jobs, cooks, landscaping, ect…ect…that is the points that is totally missed by these overzealous disciples of the systemic racism religion. 

an unrelated point I want to make is IQ can be increased to a certain degree by excercising your brain. You can learn to think outside the box, to recognize pattern etc…

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@dyno Iphone and Android test are done by non-bias tech geeks. while I.Q test are used as a tool by racists who want to do harm to others.

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