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Tongking in the age of Commerce

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Doraemon
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No. China currently is a very bad model. Have you seen Chinese stepping onto each other on New Year's Eve? Their characters are as lousy as Vietnamese today, if not worse. 

The hugest damage the communist government did to Vietnam was not the destruction of the economy, that is very easily repairable, but it was the destruction of Vietnamese characters, culture, values and work ethics. Without these ancient pillars as foundation of our country, we are completely lost. 

My friends in Vietnam joked about this. "After Lê, there was no more thuần phong (pure customs). After Nguyễn, there was no more mỹ tục (fine practices). After Land Reformation, there was no more văn hoá (culture)."

What this means is that after the end of the Lê dynasty, Vietnamese customs were no longer as "purely Viet" (supposedly) as it used to be. It absorbed in elements from Cham, the Europeans, and many other peoples, but the "fine practices" were still there. However, after Reformation of 1954, which could be considered the Cultural Revolution of Vietnam, the culture of Vietnam was dead. 

What happened in the Land Reformation of 1954 was that the Communist Officials encouraged peasants to destroy all items that belonged to "landlords" or items that symbolized extravagant lives of the capitalists. 

The uneducated peasants, instigated by the communists, stomped the ancestral halls of many Vietnamese families and destroyed all relics, all of our cultural items. Many middle class families supporting the Viet Minh and Viet Cong before also fell victims to this. One famous case was Ms. Nguyễn Thị Năm, she was a strong Viet Minh supporter and also the foster mother of 3 prominent Communist Officials. She donated 100 taels of gold to the cause of Communism before. But in the Land Reformation of 1954, she was sentenced to death and executed because others labeled her as a "landlord". 

For their own interests, the Communist regime condemned the feudal lords and kings as oppressive forces. They brainwashed the commoners into believing that Vietnamese history had been a history under oppression, from the Chinese to the French and the Japanese and the Americans. And that the communists were a liberating force, liberating Vietnamese from millennia of oppression by either foreign forces or by domestic kings and lords. They make good use of patriotism to praise themselves and make themselves the sole party legitimate to rule Vietnam. 

From here on, generations of Vietnamese were born under the communist narrative of history, believing in the glory of poverty and believing that their nation had always been poor like this. 

But that's not it. The leaders have tremendous influence on the people. If those in power don't set themselves as models to the commoners, how do you think the commoners will behave? If corruption is viewed as okay at the topmost level, then corruption will trickle down to even the lowest level. Soon enough the entire nation will be corrupted. If you have listened to speeches from Vietnamese leaders, you'll see how ridiculous they are. The General Secretary of Vietnamese Communist Party said in a televised meeting in 2014 that corruption must be fought but it should not come at the cost of "harmony". He then said even Xuanzang (The monk in Journey to the West) needed to bribe Buddha, so it should not be surprising to see ordinary men engaging in bribery.  The entire point of the speech was that we should let corruption slide if it meant to investigate top ranking officials because such act would lead to disharmony within the party and the country.  

When a communist official makes a mistake, no matter how extraordinary it is, he/she is not dismissed from his/her position. This leads to a common phenomenon that Vietnamese call "thick faced". No matter how incompetent you've been proven to be, you cling on to your office like a leech clinging on to a person's skin. They feel no shame, no responsibility to the nation whatsoever. This is in great contrast to the characters of Vietnamese leaders and Vietnamese in the feudal time, the kings/emperors would devote their hearts to the nation, and the subjects would devote themselves to the kings, they would resign or even commit suicide if they proved to be incompetent or failed to carry out an important task for the country. 

We know that Confucian values of Vietnamese society had already been destructed in the Land Reformation of 1954 with the burning of ancestral tablets, books, and cases of Vietnamese children turning against their parents for ideals propagated by the communists. Now with leaders that are thick-faced, irresponsible, and incompetent, what do you think Vietnamese society will turn into? Vietnamese commoners today are just as lazy, irresponsible, cowardice, and greedy beyond dignity as their leaders. The old values of self-respect, faithfulness, devotion and commitment have all lost. When a society degenerates, when the roots and foundations are all lost, you can't build anything. How many times have economics expert talk about tremendous potentials of Vietnam? And how many times have anyone wondered why Vietnam never reached even 1/10th of its supposed potentials? 

It's not a coincidence that Vietnamese in general admire Japanese. I think they see in the Japanese their old values, their old and more admirable selves. The Vietnamese detest their current selves, but there is nothing they can do, because they believe things have always been like this.

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The first step is to recognize the problem. You've done half of it. The second part of the problem is something that most people can't recognize either due to their zeal or their prejudice towards communism. 

That is within the past 30-40 years and currently, there is no leader, no party capable enough to replace the Vietnamese Communist Party. As incompetent, worthless and corrupted as the Communist Party is, most (if not all) of its organized opponents are either as bad or worse than it. 

I've listened to speeches and read writings from organized anti-communist and/or democracy-advocating factions, I have absolutely no faith in them becoming great capable leaders. They are disorganized. Their logics are as absurd as the logics of the communist leaders. Many of them advocate democracy but have no deep understanding of democracy themselves and worse, they have absolutely no idea how to go about to achieve democracy. Their zeals are driven mainly by hatred toward communism rather than desire to restore the nation. 

Suppose the VCP is overthrown now, who will take their place? How do we make sure the next regime will be better than the current one? What chaos will ensue when there is a vacuum of power and will whichever form of government following this chaos be worse?

I have asked these questions to democracy advocators in Vietnam, and the answer they gave me is: they don't know. 

You're right, we need something like a Meiji Restoration. But the problem is, we don't have a Meiji. 

What should you do? Thiên thời, địa lợi, and nhân hoà have not come to us yet. What we can do is to fully recognize the problem and prepare ourselves, so when the time comes, we have the connections, the abilities and the resources to help the country transition smoothly to a new age, then contribute our talents to the new nation. That is the best people like and you can do. Meanwhile, I'm just doing my small part in spreading knowledge and enlightening our folks about the past, let them know that things have not always been like this and it is unacceptable to be like this.

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"thời thế tạo anh hùng"時勢造英雄. 

I need someone like Ho Chi Minh who was a good leader and patriot but he had no choice but to deal with communism to free Vn from french 
I'm wondering what Vietnam would have looked like if the US had helped him lol

Democracy or Communism, both will be bad if they depart from the foundation of country. When you don't have any foundational values, anything you build will just collapse. 

I was thinking Constitutional Monarchy might have been a good form of government for Vietnamese. 

Why? 

Look at the old characters of Vietnamese:

- They revered and honored their kings. They lived and died for their kings. Look how many uprisings broke out in the country when the 13-year-old King Hàm Nghi issued an edict called "Assisting the King (against the French)."

- Vietnamese monarchs viewed their country as the legacy of their families and ancestors. To strengthen and prosper the country was their duty to their ancestors, and also their duty to the people they ruled, who had been all so faithful to them through and through. The leaders of modern Vietnamese government feel no such strong attachment and no strong obligation to the country as a typical Vietnamese monarch would. 

- When rulers at the top could maintain respect, order could be achieved at lower rungs of society. When rulers/leaders at the top lose respect, there will no longer be order at the lower rungs of the society. 

Vietnamese today simply have no leader to respect, no one to look up to.

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continued on the paper....

FIRST INDICATOR: EXPANDED CONSTRUCTION

There is no doubt that a large percentage of the silver earned in the seventeenth century went to the war effort. According to De Rhodes, Tongking had at least 500 galleys, three times more than Cochinchina, and superior to those of Cochinchina in their size, armaments and decorations. The soldiers were well-trained and disciplined, and skillfully used all weapons, as was shown by the pistols and arquebuses which they fired with admirable skill.

I will concentrate here however, on the expanded consumption resulting from this unprecedented inflow of silver. To begin with, the court spent considerably on the building and renovation of the capital, particularly the palaces. In 1630 alone, three palaces were built for the Lê king, together with another sixteen new buildings. The funds spent on the Trịnh lord's palaces were carefully not recorded but must have been comparable to those used for the king's residence. Government offices were enlarged and renovated. an example was the enlargement of the Chiêu Sự Hall of the Trịnh lord in 1663, where gold and red lacquer was extravagantly utilized. Together the Vietnamese capital made an impressive sight for De Rhodes, who described Kẻ Chợ as "a very large, very beautiful city where the streets are broad, the people numberless, the circumference of the walls at least six leagues around".

Because the Trịnh lord did not monopolize the silk trade, enough space was left for ordinary people to make profits. In 1644, for example, among the raw silk the VOC purchased from Tongking, only 21% was bought from the Trịnh lord and the local mandarins, and about 80 per cent was bought from the local people. Income from silk production was about 39 piculs (or 2,331 kg) of rice, enough for a household of five to live on. The silk income mainly flowed from the coast to the regions around the capital area, and these were the areas where concentrated construction occurred. In the absence of information on civilian residence construction, the steles recording constructions and renovations of temples (chùa), communal halls (đình), markets, bridges and ferries suffice to show that there was a construction boom in Tongking between 1500 and 1680.

What was also remarkable is that the most rapid growth in construction occurred in the neighboring provinces of two major urban centres - Hanoi and Phố Hiến - rather than in the two centres themselves. Construction in Hải Dương and Hưng Yên provinces was five times more than that of Hanoi, while Bắc Ninh province doubled Hanoi, and Hà Tây equalled that of Hanoi. This suggested that there was fairly large volume of capital avaiable in the society. Tongking's urbanization in the Age of Commerce thus was represented more by the mushrooming village markets, more extensive market networks and more frequent exchanges, than the construction of large cities. The reason that these provinces saw the most remarkable growth was the handicraft industry. An important characteristic of seventeenth century silk production in Tongking was that the producers were not producing household surplus but were manufacturing for the overseas markets. Although the producers continued to live in farming households, they specialized in parts of the production process, rlying on markets. The markets will be the focus of the section below.

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