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We Welcome All Points of View on Hong Kong (and Topics Like It)

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(@WhiteFragilityIsReal)
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Good move on stickying this post. I haven’t posted to or even checked out this sub in awhile due to the excessive bashing of the HK protests in this sub. While I don’t particularly lean in one direction or the other due to how fucked the situation in itself is, it was getting increasingly uncomfortable seeing the number of posts just straight shitting on HK or the protestors.
This sub has been a bastion for pan-Asian unity and to have so many of the recent posts being just downright insulting was turning me off to even checking out the new posts. I’m sure new people to the sub and lurkers feel the same way.
To all extreme Chinese nationalist posters in this sub: you are just as fragile as the white boys who brigade the sub to shitpost about SNL and Shane Gillis. We get that you are pro-China, but to go out of your way to insult other Asians because they don’t see eye to eye with you is just retarded. It’s not bringing anyone to your side. Stop it.
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Made a certain part of my post BOLD because there’s a subset of people who only see the part where I’m critical of extreme Chinese nationalists and that offends them in some way I guess
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Posted : 10/10/2019 9:49 pm
(@greatbaizuo)
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excessive bashing of the HK protests in this sub
just straight shitting on HK
I don’t particularly lean in one direction or the other
but to go out of your way to insult other Asians
That you even think of this as a "China vs. HK" thing shows that you have been tricked to some extent by white narrative-pushing. It's a lot more complicated than that. The majority of HKers do not like the rioters, and even most of the protesters are alarmed and angry at the actions of those among them who are violent.
On top of that you have literal Western regime-change ops trying to stir up more violence. There is more than two sides as you imply from your post. My link shows a native HK woman being assaulted by 4 rioting males for filming them. How does this jive with the idea of the HK protests?
There are several camps:
The CCPThe HK Government and PoliceThe average HKer
The Protesters
The Rioters, a subset of the protestersWestern regime-change operations, white internet shills, Western media and governments
We largely oppose the last two groups

 
Posted : 10/10/2019 9:50 pm
(@Academic1721)
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Yes, it was, GIVEN the motive of the Nazis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/16691969:
The Nazis believed that Jews were a problem that needed to be removed. The mass killings of the Holocaust were what Hitler called "The Final Solution".
Here, we clearly see differing motives between the the Holocaust and the current situation about the camps in Xinjiang. The Nazis simply wanted to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, simple as that. Meanwhile, the CCP, seeing the Urumpi riots of 2009, clearly saw that there was a significant proportion of the Uyghurs wanted Xinjiang to be independent, something that is way more dangerous to the integrity of the CCP than any western media reaching the Mainland, so that's saying something, I'm willing to bet that the year that Tibet or Xinjiang becomes independent would be the same year that the CCP falls, leading to the rise of another government that will focus on gaining the territories back. This is an irony that is quiet funny in my opinion, u/Colandore's discussion on democracy in China emphasized a particular fact: "I would especially caution against assuming that a democratic China would get along with us. It is too big and has entrenched interests that would likely still trigger points of conflict with Western nations. A democratic Chinese government beholden to a nationalistic voter base may be even more antagonistic to Western interests than a CCP that is willing to bide time and ignore its more nationalistic population in the interests of building National Comprehensive Power."
But moving on, the CCP's true goal with these camps are simple also, they must eradicate the way of thinking that has led to the separatism in Xinjiang, leading to a interesting term, which is cultural genocide, which is very different from genocide, but still very abhorrent the the mindset of western values. The CCP also isn't trying to make the Uyghurs into Han people, they are deconstructing Uyghur culture, keeping the parts such as food and lifestyle that doesn't threaten it's goal of the expansion of Comprehensive National Power, and removing parts such as the thinking that Xinjiang doesn't belong to China, which do threaten the goal. As u/Colandore put it himself: "Whatever is left will still be "Uyghur", but different and more palatable to the CCP's political tastes.", whether the new form of "Uyghur" is better or worse than the previous one is up for debate, however the key point to make here is that this has a very clear distinction from the Holocaust, and the people that want to make this out to be a Holocaust 2.0 are being quiet ignorant and disingenuous.

 
Posted : 10/10/2019 9:51 pm
Doctor V
(@vince)
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 this is all over the news about the mainland government trying to invade Hong Kong

 as much as people support Hong Kong there's not much you can do

 
Posted : 11/10/2019 12:51 am
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